Have you talked with anyone about our positions? I ask because if you were to reduce our position down to one simple aspect of it, it would be “America bad,” with no trace of “Russia good.” Some people actually do try to make fun of us by saying all we care about is “America bad,” and that does, at least, show some indication of having basic familiarity with our takes.
Communists want the war to end and blame NATO for provoking and prolonging it. Naturally, this is not from a place of cheerleading for another oligarchical government, like Russia. There is a lot of background to explain, if you just popped in and are unfamiliar.
Possibly, it certainly would’ve eased tensions and delayed any actual conflict.
I think Russia is also too concerned about NATO presence on their largest European border to really allow anything other than Ukraine not joining NATO and the cessation of shelling in the Donbass (and honestly, probably annexation of them too). Plus they would probably want Ukraine to officially recognize Crimea as Russian territory. So basically everything they’ve been trying to do diplomatically for the past decade and have been ignored on. This war could’ve been easily avoided had the west and Ukraine been willing to work diplomatically. But the west can’t profit from that.
War crimes are committed by every side in every war. Unless there’s evidence that one side is committing some wildly disproportionate amount/severity of war crimes (I’ve seen none here), pointing out one side’s crimes and getting outraged is just doing propaganda.
The one possible exception here is pointing out your own side’s war crimes in an effort to minimize them, controlling what you can control. There’s certainly no effort to do that on the Ukranian side.
Look at the Russian shills in this thread. Y’all know they’re committing war crimes, right?
Have you talked with anyone about our positions? I ask because if you were to reduce our position down to one simple aspect of it, it would be “America bad,” with no trace of “Russia good.” Some people actually do try to make fun of us by saying all we care about is “America bad,” and that does, at least, show some indication of having basic familiarity with our takes.
Communists want the war to end and blame NATO for provoking and prolonging it. Naturally, this is not from a place of cheerleading for another oligarchical government, like Russia. There is a lot of background to explain, if you just popped in and are unfamiliar.
Sadly, this one has a terminal case of the “smug” and won’t actually listen to anything you have to say.
It’s always for the other people listening though who will. ;)
l still support the proletariat of Ukraine even as an evil Cheddar Cheese Pringle, but I’ve come to understand that Ukraine’s government does not.
As an aside, do you think ceding Donetsk and Luhansk who were just begging to join Russia anyways would have prevented the war?
Possibly, it certainly would’ve eased tensions and delayed any actual conflict.
I think Russia is also too concerned about NATO presence on their largest European border to really allow anything other than Ukraine not joining NATO and the cessation of shelling in the Donbass (and honestly, probably annexation of them too). Plus they would probably want Ukraine to officially recognize Crimea as Russian territory. So basically everything they’ve been trying to do diplomatically for the past decade and have been ignored on. This war could’ve been easily avoided had the west and Ukraine been willing to work diplomatically. But the west can’t profit from that.
I love how people here are so polite, even to trolls that come just to stir shit up.
And they hate us for that.
I HATE FAKE TRANSPARENCY PNGS AAAAAAAAAA
War crimes are committed by every side in every war. Unless there’s evidence that one side is committing some wildly disproportionate amount/severity of war crimes (I’ve seen none here), pointing out one side’s crimes and getting outraged is just doing propaganda.
The one possible exception here is pointing out your own side’s war crimes in an effort to minimize them, controlling what you can control. There’s certainly no effort to do that on the Ukranian side.