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Strong moderation abilities, and instance admins like ourselves who actually ban white supremacist communities and not sit on their hands about hosting the largest one on the internet, for years.
edit: like just today, we had a few TERF communities try to set up here. It took us less than a day to ban them. Its not difficult.
That’s good to hear, I’ve got very little idea of how the fediverse works nor how moderation works on these types of sites so thanks for clarifying. I had a look to see if c/the_donald existed and although it seems to, I could see the following:
Make America Great Again removed by mod
No Posts.
Does that mean the community has been removed by a mod then or something else?
That’s exactly what it means.
So with the way Lemmy currently works, could someone create a community, write some hate speech in the community description and that description stays up forever?
E: Apologies if it would have been more appropriate to ask this question in c/lemmy_support
I’m just gonna guess here, but I’m pretty sure there are manual steps an instance admin can take to nerf that stuff in the database
Additionally, there is a plan to implement a purge feature for particularly egregious posts, but as long as these communities are not allowed to spread their roots here, there shouldn’t be much of an issue. Seeing fascists and bigots getting whacked in the mod log doesn’t bother me much at all.
There’s nothing stopping them from setting up their own instances (like Gab did with Mastodon), but they will be ostracized from the fediverse.
Shitjustworks just voted to delist exploding heads from their instance. Beehaw is not federated with two of the largest (lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works) because they are worried about bots.
That should probably be in the README/FAQ.
From what I could gather in the recent Reddit thread, Lemmy becoming yet another Reddit clone that turns into a Nazi bastion is a common concern driving people away from giving the platform a chance.Gotta say, Lemmy is both way more active and way better curated so far then other Voat or any of the other Reddit clones
Because now regular people actually have a reason to leave.
How does this work with upcoming federation features and de-centralised nature of the lemmy platform?
A community is still ultimately controlled by the instance where it lives, along with those admins and mods.
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The reality is that they can already do that with plenty of existing services. Lemmy isn’t providing a new an unique opportunity for nazis to communicate that wasn’t available to them previously.
That said, the moderation and federation rules do appear to work in practice as seen with Mastodon where similar concerns have been raised. The one nazi instance is its own bubble, and nobody federates with it.
Assuming they’re generally on the same instance ::cough EH cough:: others can just defederate if they want. Those that are harassing and spreading hate speech on mixed servers can be blocked, banned from communities, or the instance in question if egregious enough.
Just happened on sh.itjust.works and we booted them https://sh.itjust.works/post/381489
Oh I’m well aware lol. I’m a sh.itjust.works user as well and have been seeing the controversy that sub brought about the last few days.
You are indeed resurrecting a 3 year old post haha!
Glad to see so many of you here now though!
It’s suddenly relevant again lol
There are way more of us than there are of them. Let them scream impotently into the void and hear nothing come back.
Sure, maybe they will rally some numbers and try ti make noise, but ultimately they will just get bored and move on as things aren’t as monolithic here in the fediverse as they are on Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/etc.
Sure, let them. We can defederate if necessary. It’s the system working.
A code of conduct!
More seriously I think Mastodon’s general rejection of Gab taught us that federated software can have an immune system in the form of instance admins/mods blocking federation.
Defederation. Just don’t join or federate with instances that allow hateful communities to thrive and it will be fine.
Me. See, Voat ended up like it did because of the blatant bias of banning. I hope Lemmy would get all kinds of people here to stay, not just one political leaning or subset. The federation sure looks like a good solution for this, since one can simply ban a whole instance they don’t like and be done. As long as we all have an interest in Lemmy it should’t become an echo chamber.
The main thing preventing that is capturing of initial user base.
The next part is finding a person who has some understanding psychology and know what a healthy community looks like to moderate.
Something like a code of conduct is typically the correct way of doing things. Neither is strong moderation abilities, since almost all moderators are influenced by other users and their own opinions.
Free software is free for everyone, and innocent until proven guilty.
Right wing people want to have reasonable discussion on their space? Fine. I am not forced to talk with them, but they can provide interesting contribution to the debate, we lack them on the fedi. Far right people want a platform for non moderated hate speech. (Luckily, I live in a place with hate speech laws) at the point it spreads over the fedi . I would move to an instance not federating them.
That’s the cool part of the federation, just like most Masto instance do not federate with instance posting child porn, you can get rid of neo Nazi by not federating them
Stuff like this happens so i think it will sort itself out
Just ban politics here.
I’m genuinely curious, looking to move from Reddit due to heavy-handed mod abuse and the extreme leftist bias of virtually all the big subreddits. Is Lemmy going to be a place where free speech is honored, or will conservatives always get the boot like on Reddit? I’m not talking about hate speech or calls for violence, I’m just as against that as the next person. But I’d like to know I’m not going to get banned because my opinion differed from that of a mod.
or will conservatives always get the boot like on Reddit?
If it stinks of shit everywhere you go then maybe it’s time to look under your shoe? 🤔
While there’s value in conservative thought most people who subscribe to it don’t know how to exercise it.
You don’t understand Lemmy. Feel free to host your own instance with your conservatives views. It will likely get defederated by other instances, but nobody’s stopping you.
That was 3 years ago, I don’t think they’re gonna see this.
Haha, post age is a constant reminder that the Fediverse wasn’t getting much action for a long time. I don’t even know how many replies I’ve posted then noticed the age.
The “active” and “hot” feeds are kind of broken. Clearly configured with the lower post volume in mind. I suggest top>day until it’s fixed.
Thanks for the tip! I have wondered why it seems like I keep hitting the same posts
The latest version of lemmy also added top 12h, 6h and 1h but the apps haven’t seemed to implement it yet.
As long as you’re not hateful in the way you show it, conservatism is not always inherently evil. Just sadly the further you go to the right the more hateful you become to the rest of the world.
Not all conservatives are bad. But the kind that spout MAGA and long for Boris’ return are usually in that camp.
I feel like most lemmy admins (at least on sh.itjust.works, from what I can tell) are quite lenient as long as what you office isn’t winning towards harming or hating on another group of people
(Just to clarify to others, I am not a conservative, I’m very left leaning socially with some authoritarian views on certain governmental issues. But I also understand that not all conservatives are our enemy, we talk about them always ending up in echo chambers and ending up being more radicalised by doing so. I also don’t want the left to start creating their own echo chambers by proxy. Debating is very productive in my opinion, you learn more about your own arguments and whether or not deep down if you still feel that way, while also seeing the point of view from the other side which in turn can often shed light on the real issue all of it stems from. Depending on the context of the debate obviously)
Don’t conservatives have an entire subreddit all to themselves that no one else can post in?
The whole point of federation is that instead of joining a single centralized service, you’re joining the federation by joining a specific instance or creating your own instance. If you feel moderators on a certain instance are being heavy-handed you have the option to use a different instance which can still communicate with that other instance.
As the network topology is completely different on a federated platform, moderation actually happens in two layers; instance-to-user and instance-to-instance. Instances each have their own codes of conduct, which users on that specific instance are expected to respect. On top of that, instances also have the ability to block (defederate) with other instances if it is seen as necessary for the protection of the users of that instance.
You may be interested in how this works in practice on Mastodon. Mastodon.social, the flagship instance, has a code of conduct and a list of blocked instances along with - importantly - the reason they are blocked. As you will notice, not one of those instances is blocked for “different opinions” but rather for harassment and illegal content.
Further reading https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentralized-social-network-gab-migration-fediverse-app-blocking
Make your own echo chamber idiot 😎😎😎
