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    They will liberate the entire globe except Palestine. They are very “moderate” so they do not want people to think they are antisemitic or something.

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      The US is paying them to harass China. If China overreacts the Us will pay them alot more and they might win so.ething in a little war

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    China will have to eventually abandon its “non-interference” policy. As shown, US/NATO don’t just fight direct or proxy wars, they will do color revolutions and unleash their terrorists, Xinjiang and Pakistan will be hot spots if/when China moves on Taiwan. The CIA already has their terrorists in Pakistan killing Chinese engineers working in Pakistan.

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      China maintains their current foreign policy because they learned from the mistakes of the USSR.

      The USSR did the opposite of non-interference and actively tried to ferment revolutions or arm socialist orgs around the world. While this isn’t a bad thing, it resulted in the Soviets overextending themselves and getting bogged down in proxy wars and a frankly unnecessary arms race with the US. When the Soviets went into Afghanistan to fight the US-backed Islamists, they lost far more than they gained, and the Afghan people ended up turning against them.

      The collapse of the USSR and loss of the Cold War gave China much to reflect on, and ultimately, they fine-tuned their Marxist ideology to suit the post-Cold War Unipolar world. And it has worked for them thus far.

      Whether they will need to fine-tune it again as we head into a multi-polar world still dominated by Neoliberal Capitalism remains to be seen.

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        It’s not so clear as that, I think. The USSR and the PRC both exported revolution / aided decolonial revolutions to some extent, but the USSR also attempted a policy of peaceful coexistence and in many cases was probably not as proactive as they could or should have been, often only reacting to the most egregious of aggressions from the U.S.

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      China will be fine. If they can survive in the 70s when they’re completely surrounded by hostile countries they have border skirmishes with on top of being a bit of a pariah state, they’ll be fine now.

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      The longer they wait the weaker the west will be when it happens. The west us powered by capitlaism and well, there is this tendency for the rate of profit to fall over time.

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      They should have years ago but they wont. In the end even in the worst case and these terrorists do make it to China they’ll treat it as their own internal affair, do whatever needs to be done and then have Xi meet with whatever dipshit is replacing Blinken and Yellen every few months.

      China has been consistent. The best description I’ve seen is BRICS is not anti-west but rather non-west. They want to claim independence from western(US) influence and intervention yet they want to be treated as equals and be friendly. Sadly this naive idea is exactly what dominates right now and it is bound to fail no matter what.

      Very deep questions need to be asked but they wont. China will do everything to keep the economic miracle going while crying US bad and doing nothing about it. Taiwan is a dead end issue given China’s own technological development.

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      i am wary of this rheotoric, i have heard on podcasts the ussr was extremely hesistant and critical of the soviet afghan governments killing of people, and despite stating so multiple times upon deploying soviet troops into afghanistan were unable to solve the issue and continued the mindless deaths of the people of afghanistan.

      war is a crude form of politics, and another form of competition.

      the contradictions from war waged by a socialist state will be many. i have heard it said socialism cannot sustain it self with weapons of war - that the steel of rifles barrels could have built bridges and incubators.

      not to mention the foreign actors who wish to see the PRC collapse, we all know very well that the capitalist have the power to make mountains of ant hills

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        war is a crude form of politics, and another form of competition. the contradictions from war waged by a socialist state will be many.

        Blanket statements about war being a crude form of politics tends toward dogma and not material analysis.

        Reminds me of Mao’s “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” speech. “We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.”

        Modern China is quite different from Mao’s China, but I think it is still true that there are conditions under which war is a necessary activity for a socialist state. One of those conditions would be acts of war imposed on that state by other bourgeois states. If Mao had not insisted on the necessity of war in revolutionary China, I don’t think we would have a socialist China today. The threat on China today is only increasing, and military force will inevitably have to be used to counter Western aggression.

        I am not advocating hawkishly for war. It is not automatically the correct strategy. Nor is it automatically incorrect. War is a reality imposed on socialist states that has to be dealt with on its own terms.

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        This is nominally the correct answer. The key fault that lied with the Communists of the former socialist Afghanistan they fell into ultra-left deviation of moving too far ahead of the Afghan people and attempted to force their people to move faster than they were willing from afar, leading to their masses becoming fertile grounds for reactionary religious fundamentalist sentiments to sprout and causing an unbroken vicious cycle of violent reprisals that would lead to the fall of Socialist Afghanistan and the weakening of the Soviet Union.

        Material improvements are indeed one of the primary means of countering festering reactionary seeds, but the methods of application of ideology is another one as well. And currently I’m of the belief that China’s currently pursuing, as far as we can generally see thus far, the correct course in relation to their own self-governance. Nevertheless I do hope they’re paying close attention and have been working thoroughly to ensure the defenses of their western regions.

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      Their goal is to create chaos in the Central Asian corridor, which is a main pillar of the Belt and Road Initiative. The empire’s strategy is to create chaos through terrorism to make the Eurasian economic cooperation prohibitively expensive.

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        unsurprisingly communist analysis predicted this exact scenario many years ago

        Often when I listened to prominent academics giving their takes and recollecting history, I thought to myself ‘god damn, they’re knowledgable’ - because it would take me a long time to read up, and understand the conflicts they were speaking of and be able to talk about it.

        What I hadn’t realised up until recently, is that if you keep up with the news for years on these issues, you too end up with this knowledge bank. These academics didn’t necessarily go back and read all the history books - they lived through them in real time, and each day learnt and applied communist perspectives in the face of propaganda.

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          Similarly, the Marxists of this community repeatedly educated me but being more correct and predictive about things than everyone else until I read more theory and caught up.

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        Afghanistan is an economically devastated pariah state. China should extend a helping hand and get Afghanistan back on their feet by economically and politically helping them. And when China does help them in this way, the Taliban will know what to do when they see a bunch of Uyghur jihadists trying to make their way to Xinjiang.

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          Pretty much. The best model for anti terrorism is the development of Xinjiang, full stop. Generally speaking people don’t like being terrorists and would much rather live regular lives, so if you stabilize a region and give them that option they will choose it.

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            Not necessarily. Operation Cyclone was about funding and arming the conservative feudal warlords whose power derived from land holding were being threatened by the Afghan communist government’s reforms.

            China could do that in Xinjiang because they already have their land reform completed from a very early stage, which abolished the extant power held by the local landlord class.

            In order to replicate China’s model in Xinjiang, you need to sever the feudal relations that still exist in today’s Afghanistan. Otherwise any kind of industrialization would be difficult, because the conservative warlords who have their own fiefdoms would want to extract as much as they can from the government for land development, and this makes economic development very expensive if not downright impossible because they might not be willing to give land concession to the government.

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              Fair, it’s a totally different situation, but I think that if nothing else cooperation and development remains provably the best path to stabilization and therefore reducing radicalization. Just imagine fighters coming home from fighting in Syria to find out that the rest of their family is making twice as much as they are while working half as hard, how many do you think will just want to settle down?

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        they’ll erase themselves if they even bother showing up. While they’ve been off pillaging in Syria for a decade the Chinese government has lifted the standard of living in Xinjiang and tamped down on Uyghur separatism. Typically a would be independence movement needs to, you know, be active in the land and among the people they are purporting to represent.

        If these guys think they’ll receive a hero’s welcome from the locals they’ll be sorely mistaken, and the US isn’t around in Afghanistan to funnel them support anymore. Hilariously their old friends in the Taliban will probably sell them out to China now for a few drops of aid money. It will look like some bay of pigs shit if they try to return in force. I doubt they will even try to leave Syria

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          They have a ceiling support of 45% (the percentage of Uyghurs in Xinjiang), so good luck with pulling off a separatist movement. But this is all talk. Put your feet in the shoes of these Uyghur jihadists. They could risk going through Afghanistan to get vaporized by the PLA or they could steal land from indigenous Syrians and set themselves up as Uyghur settlers like their Zionist masters. They’re already stealing land since if they decide to squat in a Syrian’s home, the Syrian can’t exactly say no.

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          Yeah the PLA mopped up the Tibetan CIA assets quick because they could not hide. Imagine being a typical liberated Tibetan serf seeing some lama failson trying to bring back slavery. Yeah it’s reporting time.

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    I want to say China could kill everyone in that photo for $20k in FPV drones, but they also control 80% of the global drone market so who knows how cheap that would actually be.

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    Of course if they can whitewash the HTS’, they can do just the same to these

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    i am unfamiliar with what the current situation in the uyghur district in the PRC is, but i imagine if an individual takes the PRC at their word - and the living conditions are improved and the oppression the west has stated is no longer there/false, there must be a nonzero standing army/security force in the area composed of locals uyghurs whose rank & file have interests which are aligned with the PRC, and will be the frontline/intelligentsia who will oppose these “moderate rebels” and their attacks?

    if the security force of ugyhurs fighting on the behest of the PRC in these districts exists to be the total number of soldiers in the region, it would be deeply de-legitimatizing to these religious zealot claims of liberation to the world who are not the running dogs of empire.

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      Xinjiang is around 45% Uyghurs and 42% Han. You don’t even need a security force of just Uyghurs. Xinjiang isn’t like Tibet at all. This was why Uyghur separatism didn’t have much chance of succeeding. You’re not going to pull off a separatist movement where the ceiling of support is 45% of the province.

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      ETIM barely had any support the first time, now it has much less.

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      actually, to be further contrarian to this rhetoric- this is not inherently true atleast not to the spectrum desired, from my understanding of jordan and egypt in our circles, they are understood to be lackeys of the west and oppress their own people, as the ruling class and military elements are provided immense material benefit.

      one could say that the oppression and that material conditions(not living in horrific shit) have worked in tandem to suppress effective dissent (or not being effectively organised cough vanguard cough). of course there are protests that are immediately suppressed from time to time, and stories of people being kidnaped after expressing dissent in egypt. but that would require a westerner to pay attention to be aware of such circumstances, which our legacy media does not inform them on, nor does our mainstream influencers (that are selectively not shadow banned).

      this must mean that our legacy news media and social media influencers will not report on the falseness of the conditions in this district. that while a total ughyur security force may reduce munitions to hurl, and existing conditions where there is a lack of protests outburst (which were the indicator of oppression in egpyt) - your run of the mill westerner will not be informed or told of this as they are not beneficial to the dominating capitalist powers.

      they will instead be told of every instance where intentional misinterpretation can lead to ideas of mass oppression of a uyghur people.

      reminds of lenin quote

      spoiler

      “All over the world, wherever there are capitalists, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy and fake “public opinion” for the benefit of the bourgeoisie.”

      of course updated to modern terms please no more news papers

      my end statement is that this rhetoric i initially expressed can be reduced to insignificance, that the only way to effectively sway people of the west is to build rapport with them (atleast more rapport than the totality of the news outlets and influencers) and seem reasonable (or offer material benifits as roderic day wrote in his essay on brainwashing), there will be no mass dissonance for the general westerner who materially benefits from the status quo and they may more or less be happy with their current material conditions

      willing to change my mind on my logic, if someone wants to discuss

      my personal position is that i really want the PRC to be a force of positive change in the world, but tbh i am unsure of how to conduct analysis to find the absolute truth - knowing that everybody is biased in some way and tbh to sift through everything is a pain, i can see why most people will simply default to whatever materially benefits them more