We got nothing from the Dems, so the only thing that remains for us to do is what we always said we will do no matter what - vote for Harris.

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    Listened to KYE and they had two uncommitted apparatchiks on and they gave an hour spiel about how the party led them on and ghosted them at the convention, and I couldnt stomach finishing the thing, but you could just tell how big of an L they took given that they didn’t even get to save face w the crumb of a speaker, and wanted to vent, but will have to just suck it up and eat all the shit if they want to maintain any power in the party.

    Big, I’ll keep drinking that garbage, energy.

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    Trump, saying he’d “accelerate the killing in Gaza”

    bull-fucking-shit. none of these genocide-excusing scumbags can ever explain how he would do this, other than making it harder for liberals to pretend it’s justified. the same arms and funding will still be sent, and if “Israel” could kill 2x more they would already be doing it. this is a pathetic excuse by people willing to throw others into the meatgrinder if it means they can stay comfortable on the couch.

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        Even when we got to 30k originally it felt like an undercount. There’s been massacre after massacre since then and it feels like there’s just no one left to keep accurate records. They blew up most of the hospitals.

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    Dems know that their base would still fall in line even if they pissed in their hair and shat in their mouth and made them lick their boots clean, they know that if a genocide isn’t enough to dissuade them, nothing is.

    They could have one half executed for fun and the other half would still vote for them.

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      wojak-nooo NOOOO this is a once in a lifetime very important election twice in a row please bro just voot please we’ll hold them accountable please bro trust me

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    I am once again doing Lawrence O’Donnel posting

    If you want to pull the major party that is closest to what you’re thinking, you must-YOU MUST-show them that you’re capable of NOT voting for them. If you don’t show them you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working within the Democratic Party, because the left had nowhere to go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRNnIMDkUY

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    Uncommitted movement is really like the customer service apologizing to you and handing you coupons for the next purchase when you call to complain how the company’s self cleaning litter-box transformed your pet into charcuterie

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    I genuinely do not understand this lib talking point of “a vote is not an endorsement.” It literally is! What, it doesn’t count as supporting them if you feel bad when you do it?? Politicians could not give less of a shit.

    These geniuses just completely destroyed any capacity they might have to make credible threats in the future, and proved that anyone treating them as unserious was correct.

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      The silliest thing is that elected officials literally use their vote numbers as endorsements! Right up until he dropped out Brandon was using the 2020 popular vote to say that people backed his policies.

      No politician worth their salt would ignore such an easy way to claim legitimacy, and especially not because you said pretty-please don’t take this as an endorsement of your genocidal actions

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        It’s literally just like, “It’s fine if my beliefs never manifest into any difference in material action, just so long as I know I’m holding the correct ideas in my head.” Peak idealism.

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        (cw: prescriptivism) language learner stuff

        although not all native English speakers are consistent on this of course, and I understood what you meant, in this situation you may want to use “lend” for 借. a mnemonic that might help is “borrow from, lend to”— a sort of checksum for this mnemonic is that the words are in alphabetical order. (not trying to be annoying, hoping you will also correct my Mandarin)

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      Politicians could not give less of a shit.

      This is the part that I didnt get about this for a long time. I mean I knew it, but i didnt make the connection in my brain.

      All I understood is that in my mind I wasnt voting for all the evil things they do, I was voting for the marginal differences. That was the point of my vote in my mind.

      It didnt occur to me until like late last year (yes, that late) that this doesnt materially matter because thats not how the politican takes it. They take it as an endorsement of every action they take.

      For this reason, I’m sympathetic to people still stuck in that rut.

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    absolute clown shit. the “uncommitted movement” has been a joke since its inception, they’ve never been serious and it’s just been a ploy to capture the hesitant dem voters and prevent them from going 3rd party. if they aren’t going to apply any of their political leverage to get concessions, what even is the point?

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      I don’t think it’s a ploy, there’s real Palestinians in it and stuff. I think this is just what happens when we have no real socialist organization or education, and radical alternatives are demonized. Everyone here knows they want something real bad, and they may even organize for it, but they have no idea how to get it beyond that. They’ve been blinded to the possibilities by propaganda.

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        I don’t doubt that there are people involved that are sincere in their motives, but the movement itself has never had a clear direction or discipline even from the beginning. “So u hhh, we want you to stop arming and sending money to Israel and stuff, ok? Like uh, we’ll still Vote Blue No Matter Who and stuff because Trump Bad, but pretty please still do what we want ok?” Zero leverage.

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    Libs pushing the “voting 3rd party helps Trump” narrative so hard makes me wonder if they’re going to introduce legislation that actually causes all 3rd party votes to count as a vote for the Republican candidate.

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      Mostly the dems are trying to use the courts to kick third parties off the ballot in swing states. It’s going all the way to the supreme court in Georgia. But the dems love democracy, of course.

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      The radlibs outed themselves the day Joe Biden had a good day on super tuesday 2020.

      It wasn’t so much Joe Biden having a good day as it was Obama, making all the calls necessary for the other neolibs to fall in line (and perhaps for the other “progressive” to stay in the race).

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        In any case, a lot of radlibs started screaming about the sky falling immediately and took on a “oh well, guess socialism will never work time to support the libs!” stance.

        They never had any intent of building a broader left wing movement. It just seemed like a cool thing to hop on for them. Once it became clear that it would be difficult, they took the easy way out and switched sides.