Libs: “THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT THERE’S GENOCIDE IN XINJIANG, AND IF YOU DARE TO BRING UP THE LACK OF EVIDENCE OF ANY SORT OF ABUSE FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS YOU’LL GET BANNED!!!”
Also libs: “Didn’t you know that 15k of the 40k humans murdered in Gaza were actually terrorists? 
Also, lots of civilians die in wars like the one happening in Gaza, it’s sad but inevitable”
Fuuuuuuuuuck this shit.
I saw the exact same thing happening on TV. There was a Palestinian member of the french left who was interviewed as a candidate for European elections and I kid you not the interview went like :
- Journalist repeatedly denies that there’s a genocide in Gaza, interviewee cites international law and evidence to defend that there’s a genocide in Gaza
- Journalist brings up that her party abstained on recognising the “genocide” in Xinjiang. Interviewee cites international law and simply say she’s still very concerned yada yada. Journalist repeatedly scolds her about it
If any lib in the wall needed further proof that the west, through their media, is never serious about human rights and only instrumentalises them
The UN are genocide deniers I guess then. Their report says they found no evidence of such.
Still spamming that “human rights abuse” button to death they seem to still be persuaded that teaching jobs is torture
Lmao I remember that, the accusations that giving women access to free higher education and vocational training was cultural genocide because now the women would have the financial independence to choose if they wanted to live according to traditional social rules or not
Edit: and the time that giving school kids free school lunches was cultural genocide because Muslims fast during Ramadan - and the western libs revealed they aren’t at all connected to Uyghur culture in which children under 14 usually don’t fast anyway.
It’s because westerners don’t see Muslims as human, so liberating people from reactionary ideals is seen as destroying the only way they see Muslims as acting (being conservative fundamentalists)
The west reserves the right to pretend to care about liberating Muslim women from reactionary ideals if it can serve as justification for belligerence.
I’m not going to pretend China wasn’t heavy handed and that there’s stuff to criticise in there but the outcome is way fucking better than the western approach to islamic extremism. No deaths to speak of and the extremism ended completely. Compared to the western approach of incarceration and bombing it works 1000x better.
Thing is, the debate never was about whether the reeducation camps were excessive, it’s about genocide. People still believe the unsubstantiated claims of mass sterilisation, people still believe that the Uyghur culture is being destroyed (the other day someone posted a video of the youtube channel Little Chinese Everywhere visiting Xinjiang which clearly shows otherwise)… It’s extremely sad how, after 3+ years of no new claims because there isn’t even any way to make up evidence anymore, people still believe there’s an ongoing genocide
people still believe there’s an ongoing genocide.
I don’t think they do. Fascists say the wrong things on purpose. They know there’s no genocide going on in China. However, they need a narrative to justify sinophobia and anti-communism.
Libs are sealioning to push the modern White Man’s Burden. Accusations of genocide, homophobia, misogyny, etc. is always directed at non-white countries who aren’t doing what the Imperial Core wants them to do.
If they actually cared about genocide, they would be doing something about the treatment of Native Americans, instead of throwing them in jail and building oil pipelines on what little land they have left. If they cared about homophobia, they’d stamp out the GOP and vote out politicians passing anti-LBTQ+ legislation. If they cared about racism, they’d abolish police and prisons. If they cared about women, they’d make abortion and gender equality constitutional rights.
Since they do not do these things, the only conclusion to be had is they use accusations as a way of deflecting criticism and justifying imperialism.
They know there’s no genocide going on in China. However, they need a narrative to justify sinophobia and anti-communism.
I think a lot of people heard “China is doing a genocide” five years ago, took it as fact, and have simply baked it into their worldview ever since.
Libs and chuds do the same thing with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Hell, I’ve heard people spew the “Soviets allied with the Nazis” tripe without even knowing the name of the pact; it’s just accepted as common knowledge.
They took it as fact because it justifies American exceptionalism. There’s no critical thought around it because it helps spurn the narrative of the US being the world’s greatest democracy. If you start thinking other countries have better rights and freedoms than the US, that narrative falls apart.
This same tactic has been used to demonize North Korea and Iraq. Liberals know this, which is why they continue using it against countries like China and Palestine.
Can confirm we just lost several members of our friend-group to the “but chYna” rhetoric. Libs gunna lib.
Nah you dont talk to casual libs enough. They read about a genocide of Uighers and believe it and thats it. Its an incredibly effective psyop. To believe noone actually believes its actually real is silly. Not that long ago i posted something from an anticolonial account posting awareness of all the ongoing genocides on the planet (you can find it in my post history). It wasnt one of the main ones, bit deep in the replies it did mention Xinjiang and the invasion of Ukraine as ongoing genocides too. Well meaning people sincerely believe it because its a psyop that targets well meaning people.
Yeah I agree with you
Turned out it wasn’t excessive, at least not compared to basically every other possible alternative. It was also completely uncharted territory in the field of terrorism alleviation and prevention and the success is unprecedented.
they seem to still be persuaded that teaching jobs is torture
Elementary school was the worst 15 years of their lives.
Have you considered that the UN has buckled to Chinese pressure? Just like the WHO and all the other things I don’t like?
The UN is Chinese Hamas
Actually the UN is Chinese Hamas RuZZian WOKE
the UN is almost entirely DEI, all countries should be represented by cishet white usian men
Chamas?
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I recall the UN high comissioner for human rights who conducted the investigation, Michelle Bachelet, got endless flak for not indicting China.
But if you link this to people they will go line by line to every single part where it says that China actually did do something and be like “dId YoU eVeN rEaD yUoR oWn SoUrCe?”
In my experience they refuse to actually read it and instead link to a Guardian article that wrote some bullshit about the UN not being allowed to see the real stuff instead. Regardless of the fact the UN addresses that they are satisfied with the visit.
Also, lots of civilians die in wars like the one happening in Gaza, it’s sad but inevitable”
But when you tell them Ukraine war is probably the least deadly for civilian* wars in last over century with military to civilian deaths ratio being like 50 to 1 they will get incredibly mad.
*From 2022 when ukronazi army got pushed from most of Donbas, in 2014-feb.2022 majority of victims were civilians in Donbas.
They’ll say it’s because Ukraine are wholesome 100 Marvel heroes who protect their people while Hamas uses human shielderinos.
Plot twist: Yeah but they are on Russian side
Not to mention Ukrainians using human shields is also confirmed multiple times
Ukraine genociding themselves by sending the few thousand males of child-rearing age they still have to the front without training
I remember some serious discussions (in context of WW1 and War of the Triple Alliance) if doing something like this, especially in a prolonged war with already known consequences should be called genocide of government on their own nation.
It should be. It’s quite a brutal “strategy” that just gets people killed.
Didn’t Ukraine deliberately draft a lot of people from their eastern oblasts specifically for the reason that they were more expendable and also not-really ukrainians anyway?
Yes. They fucked up though because at the start they send a lot of those units to strongarm Donbas, i have no idea if they just didn’t give a shit or sadistic nazi brain got dopamine kick on the thought of using untermensch to opress their own families, but entire units in some cases defected, forming the core of Donbas militias and turning what was supposed to be rollover and demonstration of power into actual civil war.
You got any sources on that? I’d love to read about it
I mean UN reported around 10000 dead civilians for entire war (edit: since Russian intervention in 2022) last year with military deaths already estimated on at least 250000 and possibly even 500000, it was on the wiki about the war when i last checked (to be fair it was some time ago, but the ratio should hold for the last year or even increase on the side of military since there were some really fierce fights since then)
Ok, I didn’t know any numbers about the casualties. Thank you for the context and for the sources, comrade
Remember that a casualty is not a death, but media will conflate the two freely
Average LW interaction
And damn they really did a genocide denial in the same comment they attacked you for supposedly doing the same. Amazing.
I saw an LW thread about China yesterday and everytime somebody said something even mildly positive about China, some smuglord posted “two questions: is the Tiananmen massacre real and are Uyghurs genocided?” and when people discarded the questions as irrelevant, they posted some le epic reddit debate win reply. LW is worse than reddit I swear to god lol
It’s worse than reddit because it’s full of people desperately trying to recreate the reddit site culture that resulted from the largest traffic souces being US military bases, while using a platform that’s clearly overrun with communists
clearly overrun with communists
And made by communists, too!
Yeah, the fact that most of Lemmy is just ex redditors with a chip on their shoulders really shows.
LW is made up of the most adamantly theory-less liberals too ideological to remain on Reddit after the API crisis. If they weren’t theory-less libs, they would go to a different instance, but instead they have a cargo-cult recreation of their favorite treat turned rotten.
You can literally go on tiktok right now and see how many zionist war crimes as you can stomach, and yet I can’t find a single instance of anything anywhere of Xinjiang. Libs just think what MSM tells them to think.
Either China has the most sophisticated censorship and security apparatus ever made or there’s no genocide. Given how photos of the Holocaust, Japan’s invasion of its neighbors, the Rwandan Genocide, Bosnia, and the current genocide in Gaza were all available to contemporaries, I’m inclined to think there’s nothing going on in China.
Of course, whitoids will say something like “It’s literally 1894 over there and everyone is brainwashed and the Chinese are savages and don’t take pictures and th–”
We have proof of other genocides because China is the first repressive nation to commit genocide. Every other genocide was done by freedom loving states
Um have you ever considered that’s because the CCP owns TikTok?!? Gods you Tankies will believe anything!!It’s because tiktok is chinese propaganda
They’re also cheering on thermite drones being used by Ukraine in Russia
Wish I could load every lib who love
into a giant cannon and fire them directly onto the frontlineRussia would quickly be defeated from the sheer weight of numbers.
they think the rest of the world is dumb
Incredible dissonance
Huh, apparently a squirming weasel creates a lot of replies
How the lib saw themself:
How they actually came off:
There a dunk tank dunk tank?
Yeah, it’s called the Dredge Tank
Don’t let them see my posts
Look it’s not like they were critical of a bot, now that would be ban worthy there. Weird they’re so okay with all the Gaza genocide denial though
If the libs could read they’d be beyond pissed.
But genuinely question, tf are you doing on stormforge 2.0?..
Just leave the server, it’s filled with chat bots.
