• Justice
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      I suspect next debate (if there is one…) they will actually give Biden his speedball that the dems seem so keen on denying that he receives (the latest SOTU speech is an obvious example but there’s many others), his performance will be passable, he’ll actually vomit out the liberal word salad talking points in a way that can be parsed out with 2 second sound bites, Trump will still be unhinged, and the smarmiest dipshits will say “wow, how did we ever doubt this beautiful 1000 y/o fossil?” They’ve already set everything up for to happen, I sort of suspected they were doing it when the CNN hosts were nearly in tears, but the Mourning Joe bit where Mika (sp?) was nearly crying over poor old joe! cemented it for me.

      I hope I’m wrong…

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        It’s possible that they’re playing 4D chess by letting Biden have a bad first debate, just so they can come back with a stronger second debate. I don’t know why they’d do that right before the Democratic convention but no one ever accused Democrats of being strategic masterminds.

        It’s also possible that he has rapidly declined since the SotU three months ago and he’s going to be so much worse by September.

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          Yeah, I didn’t really mean they did this fully on purpose, although it reads that way, I just meant like whatever they were doing obviously imploded immediately (maybe the meth serum was off) and the CNN producers/talking heads (and across the DNC broadly) immediately jumped into “replace him!” mode. Now that Biden, his team, and other high up dems have seemingly squashed this easy way out for them, they’ll probably just see if they get a passable second debate and then do what I was saying.

          And just to be clear, I don’t think this was all pre-orchestrated. I think many of these CNN types were delusional and then when they saw his performance totally unedited and live, they said “well, obviously that’s a fucking wrap!” But since they’re such cucks to power when Biden and others said he will remain they just immediately backed down like “oh, sorry, we’re still rooting for Joe!” And next debate, if he does a passable job, will be their reason to say he still has it, they judged too early, etc.

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          That is the script they seem to be following. First debate they blame the stutter, second debate they hook him up to a meth IV and let him cook.

        • It’s also possible that he has rapidly declined since the SotU three months ago and he’s going to be so much worse by September.

          My money’s on this one, and that the drugs aren’t working anymore because of how much further he’s declined.

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        Thinking about this some more, there seems to be broad based consensus that Biden has to knock it out of the park next debate to salvage his chances… Why wouldnt trump just pull out?

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    Because a 90 minute long dementia moment in Atlanta is exactly the same as a little lightheadedness from having just arrived in Denver.

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    Maybe this is a stupid question, but does Obama have a lot of sway still? Is there good reason to think that his support is a strong indicator that Biden won’t get canned?

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      Obama is basically Jesus to liberals. If he would have said fuck the POTUS term limits amendment and just ran anyway we may well be voting him in for his 5th term… he’s incredibly popular despite doing essentially nothing of value. His Iran negotiations got undermined by Trump literally day one. The ACA (Obamacare) was always dogshit, and has only been further made into dogshit by the courts with zero meaningful pushback from Biden ie telling the courts to suck him which he should always be doing for good stuff… but only does for bad stuff. Like sending bombs and then ignoring all the human rights organizations reporting massive violations constantly.

      But anyway, yeah, politicians like Biden run on how many dollars they can raise when campaigning. Biden does ok on that front, obviously Zionists will be dumping money on him, but Barrack and Michelle can raise so fucking much cash and they collectively hold a special almost Hollywood level of celebrity in the eyes of liberals. I wouldn’t say his word is the word of god necessarily, but he holds incredible sway (along with Bill Clinton somefuckinghow) as far as being like a false promise of turning back the clock to 2008… god, what Americans would give to just turn back the clock. Vote Biden ™️ Hey, Obama is a guy! Pretend it’s 2008. Everything is fine.

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          Why not both 🤷

          Biden is the “liberal Zionist” option that is “critical of the extremists like Bibi! But still supports Israel!”

          Trump is the “uh, I have no idea wtf those whacky Jews are doing, and I don’t care. Jared, figure that shit out. I don’t want to hear about it again” insane dumbass that will cause essentially the same result as Biden in the end, but somehow more unhinged (which does seem impossible, but I have all the faith in Trump to be more unhinged).

          Either way, whoever wins, Zionists are winning. Well, I personally think they’re losing (or have lost) long term, but they will be getting a president who will support them without question basically.

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      Enormous sway, he’s the godfather. He can bring in tens of millions in a single fundraising event.

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      Obama is Donald Trump for blue MAGA. Biden only won in 2020 from the pandemic and Obama nostalgia. Ironically, these same people were suspicious of him during his original run in 2008 and once when they realized he’s harmless, they welcomed him with open arms.

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    Between someone who tells the truth; who knows right from wrong and will give it to the American people straight - and someone who lies through his teeth for his own benefit

    Strange, I don’t recall Biden telling us he thinks we’re stupid enough to think what’s happening in Gaza isn’t a genocide. I must’ve missed that.