Lots of anger on hexbear formerly chapo.chat

  • Kaplya@hexbear.netEnglish
    34·
    9 months ago

    Believe it or not, as a chapo.chat veteran, the first year of this site was way more chaotic.

    The early struggle sessions were absolute brutal. A lot of people got very angry and emotional and many eventually left, probably never returned.

    People really have calmed down a lot here.

    • Melina [they/them, fae/faer]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      14·
      9 months ago

      I simply never engaged with the silly discourse because it adds nothing to me or my life personally. The only time I have engaged in this activity was defending the admin’s decisions to defederate

      • Kaplya@hexbear.netEnglish
        31·
        9 months ago

        That’s because you didn’t read theory, and without reading theory, you can never become a POWERFUL poster:

        From The Path Which Led Me To Leninism by Ho Chi Minh:

        Heated discussions were then taking place in the branches of the Socialist Party, about the question whether the Socialist Party should remain in the Second International, should a Second and a half International be founded or should the Socialist Party join Lenin’s Third International? I attended the meetings regularly, twice or thrice a week and attentively listened to the discussion. First, I could not understand thoroughly. Why were the discussions so heated? Either with the Second, Second and a half or Third International, the revolution could be waged. What was the use of arguing then? As for the First International, what had become of it?

        What I wanted most to know - and this precisely was not debated in the meetings - was: which International sides with the peoples of colonial countries?

        I raised this question - the most important in my opinion - in a meeting. Some comrades answered: It is the Third, not the Second International. And a comrade gave me Lenin’s “Thesis on the national and colonial questions” published by l’Humanite to read.

        There were political terms difficult to understand in this thesis. But by dint of reading it again and again, finally I could grasp the main part of it. What emotion, enthusiasm, clear-sightedness and confidence it instilled into me! I was overjoyed to tears. Though sitting alone in my room, I shouted out aloud as if addressing large crowds: “Dear martyrs compatriots! This is what we need, this is the path to our liberation!”

        After then, I had entire confidence in Lenin, in the Third International.

        Formerly, during the meetings of the Party branch, I only listened to the discussion; I had a vague belief that all were logical, and could not differentiate as to who were right and who were wrong. But from then on, I also plunged into the debates and discussed with fervour. Though I was still lacking French words to express all my thoughts, I smashed the allegations attacking Lenin and the Third International with no less vigour. My only argument was: “If you do not condemn colonialism, if you do not side with the colonial people, what kind of revolution are you waging?”

        Not only did I take part in the meetings of my own Party branch, but I also went to other Party branches to lay down “my position”. Now I must tell again that Comrades Marcel Cachin, Vaillant Couturier, Monmousseau and many others helped me to broaden my knowledge. Finally, at the Tours Congress, I voted with them for our joining the Third International.

        At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery.

        There is a legend, in our country as well as in China, on the miraculous “Book of the Wise”. When facing great difficulties, one opens it and finds a way out. Leninism is not only a miraculous “book of the wise”, a compass for us Vietnamese revolutionaries and people: it is also the radiant sun illuminating our path to final victory, to socialism and communism.

  • biden [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    16·
    9 months ago

    The loathing for wide groups of people from countries with bad governments that include comrades and are mostly working class people get me a little bit. Americans are evil racists, Canadians are genocidal pigs that hide it better, Germans have nazism in their blood, Europeans are fascist scum, Hindu-Indians are far-right supremacists, British people are neo-colonial transphobes, South Koreans are socially backwards bootlickers, Japanese are atrocity denying fascist sympathizers, etc. etc.

    I feel like using extreme general statements about working people is not only dumb but anti-materialism, it’s like, you’re implying certain groups of people are inherently more [x negative quality] because of the imaginary construct of a region they happen to be from? And people only get how this is bad when reactionaries stereotype Russians or people from anti-west states? Even when large swaths of a country are basically ignorant, that’s just humans being shaped by their culture, environment, laws, material conditions

    E.g. I didn’t like the posts about how Germans fucking suck, are apparently prone to supporting Israel because of their genocide-conforming-skull-shape 80 years later, and should be lucky their people weren’t wiped from the face of earth when most of my family are leftist anti-zionists in Germany

    I also don’t get the extreme hatred of everyday liberals, from my experience, most are naive but well-meaning. Like cmon, most of the people in your life and the people you care about would probably be (rightfully) banned from this site for liberalism

    I wrote this at 4am so sorry for the run on sentences n stuff

  • RonPaulyShore [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    15·
    9 months ago

    okay but have you consider that there are people out there adapting a cartoon for children into a live action tv show? have you considered that white people exist?

    very troubling times.

  • TimeTravel_0@hexbear.netEnglish
    12·
    9 months ago

    I noticed that too. does ML channel rage or something like that? I feel like I might fit in better with a leftist ideology that channels sadness and despair.

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        18·
        9 months ago

        A short and incomplete list of stuff to be worried about

        • OrionsMask [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          7·
          9 months ago

          This morning I was reminded by Hexbear that the CIA admitted to genocide in Indonesia in response to the book The Jakarta Method, but nobody cared. In fact, some dipshit Americans defended the CIA and downplayed the killings (presumably because they were communists, who we all know aren’t human).

          Right after that, I read about a guy who was sentenced to 40 years in prison for leaking CIA secrets. The US government was pursuing a life sentence. When the guy complained in court about torturous cell conditions and the vengeful nature of what the government was seeking, the judge was disappointed by his lack of remorse. Oh, and they conveniently discovered he was viewing CSAM whilst in prison and has been formally charged with that. So that means he will forever now be known as a pedophile and can never be pardoned without the person doing it being labelled a pedophile sympathiser. This all happened because he had a conscience and told the world their plans.

          But no, no one is evil. We should all just stop being angry and smile or whatever.

      • MechanizedPossum [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        I’m actually quite happy irl. I get super angry on here, but somehow, this is about the only site that gets me in a foul mood without me taking that mood back into real life situations. I wouldn’t be here otherwise, i’m really strict about which content i expose myself to since i’ve learned how much it can fuck with me.

        • Melina [they/them, fae/faer]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          13·
          9 months ago

          Some of the content on this website can have an emotional toll on users especially those with a poor mental state with many of those being unable to find any methods of using that pent up energy to help within their communities or engage in organizational activities manifests itself online. People would rather store that energy and argue and hurt their own comrades than take the steps toward actually doing something beneficial to others but mostly themselves

      • stigsbandit34z [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        5·
        9 months ago

        Living in an era where you can access limitless good information also means you can access limitless bad information

        Probably not healthy tbh but maybe we’ll eventually get an answer

    • Aquilae [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      Might be true to an extent. We are trying to organize with the goal of revolution after all. I imagine that takes some level of rage against capitalism.

      But there’s also the fact that one of the most successful ML revolution with the USSR has since been countered by the bourgeoisie. Though fortunately China is on its way to dethroning the US now so later revolutions can pivot to them.

      ideology that channels sadness and despair

      Sounds like doomerism, unless you mean channeling it into organizing ig

  • D61 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    9·
    9 months ago

    But but but… outdoor cats??? river rock stacking!!! Bernie Sanders!!! AOCC??? MMMAAAYYYOOONNNAAIIISSEEEE!!! walter-yell