The land wasn’t the Brits to give away, so that’s already a non-starter. If the Brits want a Jewish homeland, they should give them a strip of land in England. Why didn’t they? This argument hinges on the idea that colonial conquest is valid and justified.

There was absolutely a country called Palestine prior to colonization, and even if there wasn’t a formal, unified state prior to colonization (which there was), it does not justify expelling the native population in successive campaigns of ethnic cleansing. This argument is trotted out constantly because the implication is that indigenous peoples are incapable of self-governance and have no sociopolitical organization. It’s the political version of terra nullius.

Palestinians have every right to refuse the two-state solution because any compromise along those lines is a theft of Palestinian land by colonial forces, and each time it has been offered, Palestinians’ right to their land and self-determination has been progressively eroded. If I steal your house, you should not be forced to give me half, especially if they take the living room, the kitchen, the driveway, and the bedroom, leaving you with the attic, in order to “resolve conflict.”

You say you don’t know enough about history to debunk his claims, but you don’t need to know any history to do so. Note that I at no point invoked any historical knowledge of Palestine to make my argument. The reason I didn’t need to do so is that his assertions hinge on white supremacy and other forms of fallacious thought, which can be refuted by a total ignoramus just by hitting their weak points.

You also don’t need to argue with these genocidal freaks. Spare yourself the pain and difficulty of exposing yourself to hate speech.

If it was a colony that land never belonged to the British in the first place. Native Palestinians have lived in that region for thousands of years before Britain ever stepped foot in the region.

His dogshit argument is like saying I set up a tent in someone’s back yard then sold their house to my friend. A friend that proceeded to claim self defense when that family told them to leave then murdered said family.

What right do europeans thousands of miles away have to give or take Palestine? Same logic as the US Settler treatment of Indigenous people. 80%+ of Israeli Jews were European in 1948. Pure mental gymnastics. Zionists didn’t originate in Palestine, and Ancient Israelites living in the region thousands of years ago still doesn’t justify a Jewish only state, especially when the Palestinian people are descendants of the Jews who never left.

it was a british colony and they kinda gave to them, but no fucking way that justify it, as the other comrade said it wasn’t british land in the first place, that is some top tier naturalization of colonialism.

Britain: The OG Landlords.

But as others have said, Britain doesn’t really have the authority to give Palestine’s land to anyone. Imagine if Hong Kong, instead of being returned to China, had been given to say…Japan. Some of the hardcore Western fanboys would have been ecstatic, but do you think China would have taken that lying down?

Even if we granted that somehow Britain had the authority to give them the land, Israel hasn’t abided by that either. It’s not like Palestinians were well-treated by Israel prior to October 7th. The very language we have to use of “Israel treating Palestinians” shows that they weren’t even close to being considered equals.

Addendum, plenty of Jewish people lived in peace in Palestine. There were christians, muslims, and jewish people all living together there. There was no reason to make it some monolithic zionist state when they were already welcome. It wasn’t until the zionists rolled in (largely from Not-Palestine) and said “No, this is all ours now. Get out” that there was a problem.

and who made it a colony? what was palestine before being a colony?

Please read the following quotes by Zionist leaders such as Ben Gurion as well as read The Iron Wall Essay by Zeev Jabotinsky.

Iron Wall Essay: https://en.jabotinsky.org/media/9747/the-iron-wall.pdf

Ben Gurion’s and others’ Quotes:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

“We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return.” David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar’s Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948: Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: “The old will die and the young will forget.”

“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p.297-299, p. 330-331. See also Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, p. 182-189

Ben-Gurion in an address to the central committee of the Histadrut on 30 December 1947: “In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about a million, including almost 40 percent non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority…. There can be no stable and strong Jewish State so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60 percent.”

On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

Addressing the Mapai Council the following day, Ben-Gurion declared: “From your entry into Jerusalem, through Lifta, Romema… there are no Arabs. One hundred percent Jews. Since Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, it has not been so Jewish. In many Arab neighborhoods in the west one sees not a single Arab. I do not assume that this will change… What had happened in Jerusalem… is likely to happen in many parts of the country …in the six, eight or ten months of the campaign there will certainly be great changes in the composition of the population in the country.” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 7 February 1948. p. 210-211)

And two months later, Ben-Gurion speaking to the Zionist Actions Committee on 6 April, Ben-Gurion declared: “We will not be able to win the war if we do not, during the war, populate upper and lower, eastern and western Galilee, the Negev and Jerusalem area….I believe that war will also bring in its wake a great change in the distribution of the Arab population.” [Ben-Gurion, Behilahem Yisrael, Tel Aviv, Mapai Press, 1952, pp. 86-87]

Ben-Gurion wrote in his diary on 12 July 1937: “the compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the projected Jewish State…. We have to stick to this conclusion the same way we grabbed the Balfour Declaration, more than that, the same way we grabbed at Zionism itself.” (Ben-Gurion, Zichronot [Memoirs], Vol. 4, p. 299)

“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal Al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” (Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot of July 14, 1972.)