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Do you condemn the native Americans too for killing “innocent civilians”?
This isn’t actually that much of a gotcha outside of leftist circles because the average settler really does view violent resistance by native Americans to the encroaching settlers as barbaric and inexcusable. I’ve unironically seen them make the comparison between Hamas and native American tribes in which both are called bloodthirsty savages and worse than the Nazis.
These people really do think that what the settlers did to the natives was justified because the natives had the audacity to defend themselves, and god forbid they attacked a settler village and killed its inhabitants who were in the process of stealing native land, the very same settlers who would regularly form militias to butcher entire native villages and whose settling of native territory was what drove and gave justification to the brutal military actions taken against the natives.
Settlers and those who identify with them (which unfortunately deep down seems to be most Westerners) view the native as fundamentally devoid of morality, as a semi-animal who simply loves killing for the sake of killing and who is incapable of civilization except when subjugated by a more enlightened race. This applies just as much to how Palestinians are viewed today by Zionists and their liberal western enablers as it did (and in some ways still does) to how Europeans viewed the indigenous people of the Americas.
To further your point, they literally still make westerns that portray native people as savages. The worst of them was Bone Tomahawk, which was insanely racist. They tried to cover with a character that was “one of the good ones” but the racism far outweighed it.
Even the more libby ones are horrendously racist.
I mean idk, I always viewed the native Americans as the good guys when I was learning about it in school. The hamas condemnation might be because people are seeing what they did and having an emotional reaction to it, cause yeah some of that stuff is horrifying to see. The violence of the native Americans might be easier to view through a rational lense because the violence feels more distant
because people are seeing what they did and having an emotional reaction to it
Are they though? Are they really seeing what Hamas did or are they hearing Zionist propaganda and seeing manipulated and out of context images and videos about what supposedly happened? Are they in fact seeing what the IOF did to its own people in either a blind panic to stop a successful raid on predominantly military targets, or in a cynical and deliberate act of sacrificing civilians to create atrocity propaganda to justify the genocidal massacre they wished to inflict on Gaza? Do people really know what happened or do they just know what the media told them that Hamas did and does? And why is it that they have such an emotional response to the events of the one day on which Palestinian resistance actually hit back and not to the years and years of daily atrocities, humiliations, brutality, murders, apartheid and military occupation by the Israeli regime against the Palestinian people? Why is it so easy for them to see and hear that and be indifferent yet are so emotionally shook by when the victims of this crime against humanity retaliate?
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I think it helps detatch ourselves from the violence of the natives as the only depictions we have are from the people that genocided them, and only in paintings and accounts from the genociders.
With modern war we have daily footage of the kills, its more easy to connect to reality; the telling thing for me is that hamas are ‘savages’ for defending there own land while black sites like ‘grab an arab’ prison where we tortured thousands of people for no good reason is overlooked.
And some people live their life In violence that’s pure and clean
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Do you condemn the native Americans too for killing “innocent civilians”?
That’s what virtually all of the Western genre of movies inculcated me with throughout my childhood and beyond.
We don’t support isis for “fighting” against the US even though we hate it and the level violence committed by isis doesn’t reach the US, and we’re not all out supportive of the Taliban, so our support for the islamic resistance in Palestine isn’t because isr•el. But because we recognize that Hamas, PIJ and the other groups are actually fighting against the occupation and are not extreme.
This is to all the liberals that come here every once in a while and say we shouldn’t be with Hamas because isra°l bad.
This is really worth emphasizing against the caricature that leftists support absolutely any party which could be construed as a counterhegemonic force.
The many differences between Hamas and ISIS really couldn’t be clearer if you actually examine both groups. One problem is that the term ‘terrorist’, at least as commonly used, serves to conflate/equate them.
