I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick
“But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.
This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.
I’m curious. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You’ve been massively attacked by Hamas from Gaza.
What would you do next? How would you approach this war?
How would you defend yourself to make sure this never happens again.
If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.
If i lock you in an open air prison and arrogantly hold a huge trance festival dorectly outside the walls of your prison that celebrates peace, love, and happiness, with 0 regard for you as a human being, while you and your family waste away under my opression, I’d deserve to be shot, because thats fucking demented, unnecessary and quite frankly, callous to the point of being soulless.
If i even once had the nerve to suggest the festival celebrated peace between me and the people who are locked in said prison and cant even attend because their race inst allowed outside of those walls, even if they could afford the expensive as fuck tickets, when they are destitute because of being locked in this prison, than that would make me so fucked up, I wouldn’t blame anyone for shitting on my corpse afterwards.
And finally, i can say this no problem because its so fucking easy not to do any of these things, even on my worst days of my life, i have no worries that i might be so stupid to do any of these things even for a second.
The whole situation is the result of Israel’s land theft, apartheid, suffocating blockade on Palestinians in the first place.
Agree. I can acknowledge Hamas is fucked up, while also acknowledging Israel is using a bigger stick to simply be more fucked up in a more organized way now.
With an openly racist rhetoric too. Goverment officials are calling Palestinians “savages, animals, vermin” OPENLY, the head of state is posting videos about buildings getting bombed proudly.
Yeah there’s one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it’s their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.
The ruling class wins.
Me too, it’s completely insane
Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.
I’m still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It’s giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It’s one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It’s like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.
They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.
While Israel has been chipping away at Palestinian land in the West Bank, Palestinian population continues to rise, and rise faster than Israeli population at that. And we don’t see the West Bank doing these kind of attacks, only Gaza.
https://www.statista.com/chart/20645/palestine-and-israel-population-growth/
They ain’t fading away, regardless of Israel’s attacks and oppression. The “blaze of glory” is just terrorism.
The median age is 18, how convenient of you to not mention that.
It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.
Palestine’s reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They’ve even been blockaded for sixteen years.
Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn’t seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.
And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren’t allowed out in the first place.
My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.
They must know that the support for Palestinians by neighbouring countries has only been limited to lip service by most Arab countries for decades. They’re all too happy to buy Israeli tech to spy on their own populations, that’s basically the bargain they made to stay in power.
There’s basically only Iran and Lebanon that are actual “allies”, and that’s basically more Iran using those groups to make things difficult for the US, and not anything that would actually help Palestinians.
Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe they wanted to fight back instead of slowly getting erased? There is no 5D chess going on here, its incredibly simple.
I don’t claim to know what’s really going on, this guy does though…thoughts? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/israel-hamas-war-iran-trap/675628/
It’s not for you to understand. You’re not there. You’re not suffering it, you’re not fighting it, you’re not analyzing it to save your life and your nation, you’re not planning it, you’re not preparing for your own death and ensuring it’s worth it.
Stop passing judgment based on whether you personally have the ability to figure out what specific strategy they are motivated by and start passing judgment based on the structures at play here.
Hamas made a choice. It’s time for us to either support Israel or support Palestine. Condemning Hamas to the degree that we do not render them aid means supporting Israel. Allowing Israel to fight Hamas means supporting Israel. The atrocities can be sorted out in The Hague next year.
They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?
Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.
Only one side is engaging on ethnic cleansing with racist rhetoric included. Spoiler: it’s not Palestine.
Nonsense, the crimes of israel are on a complete different scale. You can’t fucking say both sides are bad when palestine fights back after decades of oppression.
Uh… Israel is killing countless people. Hamas is killing countable people. There is no comparison. It is completely lopsided. The fact that you don’t understand that indicates for everyone around you where you get your (did)information from.
Which western governments are cheering it on?
Pretty much all of them?
I follow mainstream media all day and you’re so fucking wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about, or more likely: you’ve an agenda of your own.
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And go fucking where and how?? They all will just catch the train?? A boat?? A really big bus??
Also
The Israeli military said it would operate “significantly” in Gaza City in the coming days and civilians would only be able to return when another announcement was made.
Famously leaving and returning is very easy for Palestinians and they will have no reservations leaving with a potential of returning.
Yeah there’s no way the city isn’t just annexed into Israel.
Yeah they are not just going to do that. First they will flatten it and kill anyone who stayed in it THEN they will annex it.
Just leave bro! Trust us™
Haven’t you heard? They’re taking a train to go camping.
Ooof.
There’s a history of returning millennia after being forced to leave in that part of the world. I’m sure the Israeli government has a similar timeframe in mind.
How the fuck do you evacuate more than 1 million people , where the majority are women and children??
You know, through the border crossings that are all closed. They’re just announcing this to claim that they gave people ample warning to leave when inevitably scores of Palestinians end up bombed.
Not just closed, ISREAL BOMBED THEM so they’d close
You can’t. Isreal knows this. But by saying “We told them to evacuate” they’ve now provided themselves sufficient cover for everything that happens after. When civilians get slaughtered on mass they’ll just keep repeating “They were told evacuate”.
Not to mention the old, the sick and the disabled. On top of that the numerous injured from the bombings.
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Answer: You don’t. Not in 24 hours and especially not when the people in charge don’t want the civilians to leave either. This will be used by Israel as a thin justification that whatever they do next did not hit civilians because they asked them to evacuate (the 24h hours part of this ultimatum will be dropped under the table, never to be mentioned again).
Just to put it into perspective:
Lets assume half of those 1.1 M find shelter in Gaza but outside Gaza city, (I think this is generous, as it will mean ~2 people living there usually for each person seeking shelter, as 2 M people live in the entire Gaza region). This leaves 550 k people to exit through the three border crossings. This leaves each person an average time of less than half a second per parallel processing capacity of the crossings to cross the border. Note that all three of these crossings are closed if I’m not mistaken.
Israel bombed them lol
Over a million people out of a city in that region is impossible.
Over a million people are going where exactly? Are there camps where they can stay? Where there is water and food? Are their basic needs met? Or are they just expected to walk into the desert, never to return from the shadow realm?
Over a million people who are supposed to stay away while the Israeli military does what exactly? Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield? Because the Hamas is known for playing by the rules, yes? Because they also won’t just leave the city to strike at a later time, right? You understand how terrorists operate? You might have learned one thing or another in the last few decades?
Over a million people who can’t leave the city and will either get murdered by the Israeli military, murdered by Hamas or slaughtered in the crossfire. Israel can say „Told ya to leave the city“ and Hamas will get rock hard at the next generation of desperate people who will be easy to recruit.
But what do I know? You do you. Everyone else seems to know it better and shit just keeps getting worse. Every single decade, this shitfest escalates more and more. People die, politicians condemn, some really like the idea of Jew or Muslims dying. Everyone acts like they did a thing.
This is not the end. We will be here again in ten years. Same shit, only even worse than now.
The impossibility of evacuating all those people safely is the point, Israel wants the civilians to die.
This is the modern Trail of Tears, but since Israel has been predetermined to be the good guy it will be cheered and celebrated.Meanwhile Hamas is telling people to stay and is actively stopping people from leaving. source
With how messy a evacuation this large and sudden tends to be, stopping it may save lives.
It depends on what Israel does after the time is up though, so that isn’t for sure better or worse.
Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield?
They’re going to bomb it from a very safe distance. And, if the last week is anything to go by, may ‘accidentally’ bomb places they’ve herded everyone into.
I feel like we are watching an opening phase of Israel literally clearing the place out, forcing these people to the beach, then telling the international community too come pick them all up, or else.
They history doesn’t repeat itself. But sure enough, there is an awful lot of verses in the books that rhyme with the last week.
Israel’s wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; “Hey, you were warned.”
Don’t get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!
Don’t forget fuck religion. Let’s not pretend like that’s not a core issue.
Fuck religion and self righteous religious zealots who’ve abandoned reason and humanity
This scene from a game has some resemblance of the situation. Plus, israel is using white phosporus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7TaLjdXMc
“Why…?” “You brought this on yourself”
If you’re gonna link to That Scene from Spec Ops you gotta include a “Seriously Gnarly Shit Ahead” content warning or something.
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This is barely even a “formality” before a massacre. Israel was looking for an excuse to go all out without any restraint and they got it. It’s fucking tragic that these bastards are playing with civilians lives. Fuck both authorities.
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It’s a war between genocidal terrorists and apartheid colonialist fascists, with a massive civilian body count on both sides. Can’t we all just be sad about dead kids instead of being cheerleading freaks?
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Y’know, I though this @ name was familiar and so I figured I’d take a look.
https://lemmy.ca/comment/3944960
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
Israel is genociding and colonising Palestine since about 80 years. Ukraine was genociding Donbass for 8 years.
… yeah, I’m not sure I’m really going to take him seriously on his opinion on geopolitics. Blocked.
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You want to point out where he’s wrong or do you want to admit that you haven’t researched these conflicts?
Israel is a terrorist state.
So considering the disproportionate actions against innocent civilians we’re seeing Israel do to annex some land, we’re surely will see sanctions and economic blocks against them soon right? RIGHT?
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No, they have blue eyes and our governments are subservient. And Israel cyber taskforce have backdoor everywhere or in most our infrastructure.
After all, this is how they sold the UA unanimous and unconditional support.
Get out of here with the “disproportionate actions” rhetoric. Watch any countey get shot at ONCE and take it like Israel has consistently for the past DECADES. Enough is enough. Hamas is ISIS and has been elected by the people of Gaza. Never again means never again
has been elected by the people of Gaza
Not really. The last election was 17 years ago and literally half the current population are aged 18 or younger.
Same tactic by israel before. They flat out a building office of AlJazeera & Associated Press back in 2021 with a 1 hour warning. They really dont care if all civilian manage to evacuate or not
Killing journalists, truly a sign of a healthy democracy
Only democracy in the middle east baby! 👉👉
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Where are they supposed to go? Egypt closed their border too. Israel wants to kill them and then say “we warned you”. The israel government and Hamas need to pay for every citizen that is hurt
That would be near impossible even if organized.
It literally just feels like a guise so that when humans rights groups or the international community raise questions about it they can be like, “But we warned them!!”
After 24 hours Israel will slaughter who is left and pretend like everyone who isn’t Hamas had time to leave. This smells like a thin concession so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.
And then many of those who managed to flee end up dying too, since they have nowhere to go.
Also, large crowds fleeing in panic are not exactly save in themselves. And don’t even start with people with disabilities.
so Israel can pretend like they follow international laws for whatever comes next.
They aren’t part of the Geneva Convention, so they’ll likely stick with the their own (US-backed) rules.
They’re just offering it as a fig leaf that pundits can use as a talking point, and basically every journalist that isn’t Medhi Hassan is just going to neglect to push back and mention the practical impossibility of evacuating Gaza City.
Israel is a terrorist state.
Not even a state. Just a colonial project by terrorist settlers.
By colonists, for colonists
Damn, Isreal really saw what happened in fallujah and went “Ooh write that down write that down”
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