Third post tonight but I’m posting anyway.

Personally, I don’t see how the Palestinian resistance has any chance of winning this conflict unless Hezbollah and/or a foreign nation like Lebanon, Syria, or Egypt for instance joins in.

  • Doubledee [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    There’s a tendency for video game thought with things like this. The conflict doesn’t have to end in a military confrontation where the blue units kill all the red ones. Vietnam didn’t really directly beat America in the field, they won by being tenacious and sticking it out beyond the occupation’s patience.

    The entity has to exterminate its opposition to ‘win’. Palestinians just have to resist until they give up. It’s kinda trite and there is a real risk that things get very bad, I won’t deny that, but only one side needs a total victory here. Any occupier who throws in the towel and goes back home, anyone who decides not to come because of the risk, any negotiation, these are all victories for a resistance movement.

    And things unravel in ways we don’t anticipate. Things look impossible until they don’t.

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      9 months ago

      The entity has to exterminate its opposition to ‘win’.

      Isn’t that exactly what the entity is attempting to do right now? By the constant air strikes against Gaza. By blockading vital supplies like food, water, and electricity. It has been just a few days, and already over a 1000 people were killed. What is that if not an extermination campaign against the people of Gaza?

      I don’t want to be a defeatist. But it seems that if the resistance can’t find a way to make that stop, things don’t look well…

      For sure, they have some sort of plan. With all the planning and preparation that went into the operation, for sure they have also considered how the entity will retaliate, and prepared accordingly. But I don’t know what their plan is now. Reading through the news thread on here doesn’t make things look hopeful. Whatever the resistance is going to do now, I hope they succeed.

      (Disclaimer that I’m an outsider who has to draw conclusions on limited information. Palestinian comrades, please correct me if I go the facts wrong.)

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        9 months ago

        It’s bleak for sure, a lot of people are likely to die in retaliation. I am not minimizing this, but it’s been the case my entire life. And somehow in spite of intensive surveillance, a siege and indiscriminate airstrikes Palestinian capacity to fight has actually improved in this time frame.

        Look at this in light of previous operations. This is by far the most successful counterattack they have ever pulled off. They are getting better.

        And they have nowhere else to go. The entity would have to forcibly expel or industrially eradicate them with like, camps and gas and shit. And I don’t think the rest of the Arab world would just watch them do that. We’ve seen harsh reprisals before. That tactic isn’t working in Palestine, this operation demonstrates that conclusively.

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      9 months ago

      the problem is that the very existence of palestinians is a threat to the israeli ruling ideology of zionism. ultimately, vietnam was a country half a world away from america that had very little to do with it. losing vietnam was embarrassing to the american leadership, but it didn’t call the ideological basis of their power into question.

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      9 months ago

      How are the Israelis going to just go home? The U.S. was able to go home in Vietnam because it was fighting in a place that wasn’t theirs, which is a luxury the South Vietnamese didn’t have. To the Israelis, occupied Palestine is their home, albeit stolen.

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        9 months ago

        I mean, Bibi is from Philadelphia. The entire point of the settler project is they are bringing people in from elsewhere. A ton of these people are Americans or Canadians etc. There are second and third generation folks now but a lot of them still have roots in the imperial core where they moved in from.

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        9 months ago

        remove the settlers, or honestly if they’re willing to put in the work for reparations they can stay