The Coast Guard has recovered remaining debris, including presumed human remains, from a submersible that imploded on its way to explore the wreck of the Titanic, killing all five onboard, deep beneath the Atlantic Ocean’s surface, officials said Tuesday.
The Coast Guard said that the recovery and transfer of remaining parts was completed last Wednesday, and a photo showed the intact aft titanium endcap of the 22-foot (6.7-meter) vessel. Additional presumed human remains were carefully recovered from within Titan’s debris and transported for analysis by U.S. medical professionals, the Coast Guard said.
The salvage mission conducted under an agreement with the U.S. Navy was a follow-up to initial recovery operations on the ocean floor roughly 1,600 feet (488 meters) away from the Titanic, the Coast Guard said.
I had no idea they are still pulling up remains.
The US has already spent millions on search and rescue (it surpassed 1.2 million even before the wreckage was found).
Anyone else love that the ultra rich can book quarter million dollar trips on ridiculous vehicles and then still cost the taxpayers millions.
If you are wealthy enough to book a trip into space or to the bottom of the ocean, then you need to be paying (in advance) for whatever resulting expenses might come out of that…or be required to carry the insurance that will cover it. It’s stupid that taxpayers have to pay for this and that the Coast Guard is STILL AT IT…racking up more costs.
To be a little more clear about the cost:
Pilots must fly a minimum number of hours, regardless of what is going on in the world. Adding a mission (such as search and rescue) to those flights is trivial because the man hours, fuel, and maintenance are already allocated.
They may have added to the plans but a lot of the cost is already paid when these things start.
That’s a single narrow example and does not accurately account for the taxpayer cost of doing this.
When it’s reported that the government estimates the cost to be 1.2 million (and that estimate was as of some date back in June - source: https://en.as.com/latest_news/missing-titan-submarine-how-much-does-the-search-and-rescue-mission-cost-and-whos-paying-for-it-n-2/ ) I understand that to mean over and above what their daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly/yearly predictable/normal expenses are.
It’s part of their mission.
Nothing in that article implies it’s over and above their normal budget. It doesn’t say either way and the Washington Post article it referenced is paywalled.
Besides this being a large part of why we have the coast guard in the first place, this is a way for them to test their training in a real world mission and see how it works and how it doesn’t.
People don’t get this about military exercises and spending. They would already be doing those things and spending that money. Might as well use it when the opportunity arises.
Also, there’s a pretty good chance that data from the imploded submarine can go towards making future submarines safer. But it’s harder to get that data without recovery
It’s not a new unproven technology, there’s no “data to help future submersible”. They CAN make it safe, they’re ADVISED to make it safe, they’re PROTESTED to make it safe.
But they CHOOSE not to because it’s cheaper.
Everyone in-the-know knew it was bad and unsafe and will probably ended in tragedy. They speak up, they protest, and they got punished by the one in charge.
Really
You really want me to think that engineers won’t find it useful at all
Not the guy you replied to, but… Yeah? There’s not a lot of valuable data in that wreckage to be gained. At least not any data that wasn’t already anticipated, known about, or already tested prior. Like the previous guy said, a multitude of experts said it was a bad idea. People who worked for the company and spoke up about the issues where fired.
The entire internet mocked the situation because the man had the hubris to think he knew better than decades of scientific and engineering testing and safety of the materials being used. Many engineers even sent letters to the guy telling him to not use certain materials because they are and have been known and proven to fail at the types of pressures, temperatures, and environment he wanted to take them too.
The only valuable data that I can even image being in that wreckage is figuring out what exactly failed first, the window that wasn’t rated for that pressure. Or the carbon nanotube hull that engineers already knew would fail since carbon nanotubes are not good at repeated exposure to stress and microfractures and breakages.
There really isn’t that much data to be gathered here that hasn’t already been tested and proven multitudes of times before. Except maybe seeing how well the game controller held up if they can even find it
I mean kind of… it’s like trying to make a kamikazi plane safer. Literally everyone with a shred of knowlege knew it was going to fail and told him, he just did’t listen.
It sounded to me like it was more of arrogance (‘I know better than everybody else’) than cost cutting. Although the part about not getting the design certified was probably for cost cutting and time saving reasons.
You mean that otherwise just fly around in circles despite a supposed pilot shortage? I’m surprised.
Of there’s no legitimate reason to fly, then yes.
How many of years of my teens with teeth that hurt and we are spending money on this.
We have enough wealth in America to afford both, just need the voters to make it happen.
I’m not trying to be insensitive, but I thought the bodies turned to goo. And I assumed that included the bones.
I’m guessing a few bits of flesh/goo got wedged in little nooks and crannies in the wreckage. Not very much…
Given that it’s “presumed” human remains, and needs testing by medical professionals… It sounds like what they found is said goo
I remember that being said as well
…so what all do we do with the bits of oligarch goo once it’s recovered?
Eat the rich?
I don’t know… after it’s been in the ocean this long? Too salty. I say we feed them to the pigs.
We prefer the term ooze…
One thing I’ve never found: what are remains like in this situation? Chunks? Entire limbs?
Well it was about 400 atmospheres of pressure. The bodies would have been cooked like in a pressure cooker and then turned into a gel. Maybe some of the thicker bones did not turn into paste though.
It’s very brief though, only the outer layer is likely to have been heated notably due to rapid compression. The bones would turn to dust from the pressure
You are a perfect example of:
“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear clueless than open it and remove all doubt.”
I would imagine something similar to the worst of the Byford Dolphin decompression accident, which was a torso and large limbs crushed to the point of being almost unrecognizable with internal organs and some chunks of soft tissue separated from the body. Photos of that exist and you can find the relevant research paper by googling “Byford Dolphin Autopsy,” but seriously those pictures are gruesome. In the case of the Titan, because the hull was compromised, large portions of those bodies were probably lost to the sea.
I read the report you mentioned and I don’t think this accident is a good comparison because the people in the Titan went from 1 atm to 400 atm while the victims of the Byford Dolphin accident went from 9 atm of pressure to 1 atm. Three (possibly four) of them were intact and died because all the fat in the blood suddenly precipitated, completely stopping circulation. Another guy was blasted through an opening that was much smaller than he, and was very much discombobulated as a result.
There’s an order of magnitude difference between the incidents in pressure differentials and it was more like an instantaneous compression in the Titan than an explosive decompression like the Dolphin. So whatever happened in the Titan probably left an entirely different mess than that seen in the dolphin autopsy.
something similar to the worst of the Byford Dolphin
That’s why I qualified my statement. I think the fourth victim is probably the closest analog we have decent reference for. (No one was ever recovered from the Thresher, which also wasn’t at this same level of pressure as Titan when it imploded.)
Human based meat paste product. Goes great on crackers!
But everyone told me there would be no remains.
I am also curious why we are still spending so much money on this.
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Is this what is meant by “trickle-down” economics?
Packt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box
Man, what a terrible way to go. I came across a video once of a diver that went too deep too fast or something like that and it screwed him up.
The guy was so deep underwater he actually wasn’t bouyant anymore. Didn’t even know that was a thing.
I think it was a fairly well known incident as well, but seeing the footage bothered me and I just pushed it out of my mind. I forgot what his name was and I’m not going to try googling the story.
There’s a multitude of nasty ways to pass into the great beyond, but having it happen underwater just creeps me out.
That would be different, knowing your fate was sealed and nothing could be done. But this submarine imploded, and the whole event took a few milliseconds. There was no time to even see the water rushing towards you, it was just going from living breathing person looking out the window, to a puddle of goo with no capacity for thought, in less time than an eye blink.
Yea, this is actually a great way to go. I idea before hand, having a good time doing something fun, and then lights out.
That’s true. Like a nuclear detonation, I’d rather be at ground zero and vaporized instantly than further away and slowly die from radiation and other issues stemming from that.
At least these folks are at peace.
