• viva_la_juche [they/them, any]@hexbear.net
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    I saw a really funny exchange on this where some lib was like “ummm actually it’s the GOP that can’t govern and don’t pass anything” and someone was like “hey quick check, are abortions illegal in your area” and the liberal was like “oh ok the ONE social victory they’ve had in years…”

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      Ah yes, what matters aren’t insignificant “social victories” like

      CW SA

      10 year old girls not being forced to birth the children of their abusers,

      but how world-weary and grown up your party comes off when you kick off another war that costs millions of lifes.

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      The GOP passed a corporate tax cut on the scale of when Reagan slashed taxes in the 80s. They gave their corporate overlords everything they wanted and the Dems haven’t even suggested that they want to repeal it.

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        Even Obamacare, one of maybe 2 dem “victory” (gross as it is to say that) that Dems got through probably in my lifetime was so thoroughly compromised with the gop it’s arguably a worse situation than had that left it alone, definitely short of what I think any liberal would actually want if they weren’t lying to themselves. Even that has gop fingerprints all over it.

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            Ah I was iffy on the history, I wasn’t sure if it was that or if it began as a “better” thing but was so thoroughly whittled down it was basically romney’s plan, either way the gop definitely are successful and getting their way politically so it’s funny to see libs cope like they somehow haven’t been lol

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              former democratic party vice presidential candidate joe lieberman killed single-payer.

              if they hadn’t pre-capitulated to republicans maybe they could’ve given up other things for old joe and we could’ve had single-payer at least but nobody with a D after their name knows shit about negotiating or bullying dipshits who cost you the whitehouse.

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    Objectively true though. Manchin and Sinema tank all the Dems plans just for the lulz and no one in the DNC will even say anything bad about them, much less do anything other than shrug and say “oh well”. It’s honestly embarrassing.

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        The GOP hate the dems. They literally despise them. The only reason that they work together is because of the dems coming across the isle. The GOP doesn’t really think of things like we do in this greater context. They don’t see the material reality we do. Their politicians have drunk the kool-aid almost as much as their constituents have.

        I remember an episode of citations needed where they were talking about how the republicans view the democrats compromising even when they have all the power. The GOP view it as patronizing. Their whole ideology is strength. It’s why their first answer to every problem is drones or nukes, even if they don’t go through with it. They don’t have a sense of solidarity with the dems. Hillary clinton is satan to them. Obama is stalin, hitler, and mao to them.

        Despite the material reality of two similarly capitalist parties who unite to squelch the working class. The Republicans take a capacity for excessive force as a given and anything less as a direct threat to the nation. So the Dems never get brownie points for using brown shirts. Because the republicans literally can’t imagine anything left of the dems besides revolutionary communists. And sometimes they view them as exactly that. They’re fucking dumb as hell.

        When you repeat things because they are politically convenient, but you have no capacity for self reflection, eventually you start to believe it. Some of them understand some parts of reality but they all have major blind spots filled in with delusions of grandeur and sadism. The kissengers are in power no longer. Only the failsons.

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          ^This is astrology for the people who enjoyed debate club in high school. This is your brain on liberalism.

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            I dont know how to respond to something this vague. But maybe thats the point?

            I could explain the material conditions that lead to the phenomena im describing.

            Also “everything is rooted in material conditions” doesnt mean that hyper-nationalist, capitalist, prosperity gospel believing people understand reality. They can be dumb and still win because everything is stacked in their favor.

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    What kind of wine sipping liberal really thinks the Democrats can govern? Or that their masters love life and themselves in a way we poors can’t comprehend? epsteingelion

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      Good catch, it’s funny how everybody assumes he’s blue maga and takes offense to the “we can’t govern” when it’s entirely possible he’s maga and takes offense to “we want what’s worst for everyone” because he thinks climate change is a Jewish hoax

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    DNC governs exactly how they want to, which is just like the Republicans. They pretend to fail at doing things while cashing giant checks from lobbyists, who also continue to bankroll their reelection campaigns.