Either you ridin’ or we pass you, flyin’ by sayin’ fuck you

          • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            64·
            9 months ago

            Supporting China in the form of creating anti-cold war coalitions can have a material impact. It can at least delay and disrupt the imperial machine while they figure out how to pass laws so that calling a Congressperson a loser now earns someone prison time, etc.

            Also a great way to expose people to the police reaction that will occur when you organize anything in this vein of any importance. Gotta keep innoculating more and more people so that we don’t get easily murdered when cool zones hit.

              • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                44·
                9 months ago

                The imperial war machine is constantly lobbying for its interests and against sentiments that may disrupt its aims. It is virtually always successful on the national stage, but local organizing can and has massively disrupted supply chains and manufacturing centers. This is why a lot of environmentalism actions are now criminal, even treated as terrorism: they did and do actually force a response, and that sucks away resources from the top in a lose-lose material exchange but with the benefit of innoculating the public from the notion that things are going well, that those companies are on their side, etc. It also teaches your org members that there is no bottom to the depravity to which capital will respond to disruption. Gotta plan accordingly to ensure actions have informed consent, of course - and a clear-eyed goal.

                Anyways, the war machine lobbies because they do actually perceive a need to “grease the wheels” to get things going. They don’t throw money at think tanks and Senators and PR campaigns for nothing. And that can be undermined with several aforementioned benefits.

                And no, I agree, most Americans are confused and easily led into fashy thinking and frothing for genocide. The actions I’m talking about don’t have naive goals like, “we will convince everyone to oppose US imperialism on principle”. Innoculation can be as simple as being tear gas seeping in your window while the cops beat protesters. The liberal inside may not join the protesters (yet), but they do see the lopsided reaction and a few gears start to turn.

                These are the kinds of things we use to peel away libs person by person to build power. Especially younger people.

            • AssaultRifle15 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              9·
              9 months ago

              Whether they’re all-in on China or think that Xi is the anti-Christ, the end result is exactly the same: absolutely nothing whatsoever. There isn’t a local left, much less a national left; certainly there isn’t anything that anybody could seriously call an international movement. The opinions of random westerners mean absolutely nothing to the CCP. Fixating on what we have zero influence over is wholly unproductive.

              Maybe in 20 years we’ll have cobbled together a movement that Beijing thinks is even worth offering a nod to, but right now we’re a bit too irrelevant to worry about our place on the global stage.

                • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  94·
                  9 months ago

                  I dunno I think dismissively quoting 19th century political philosophical divisions in response to someone pointing to the importance of real-world on the ground mass organizing is firmly in the realm of idealism.

                  The science of revolution requires a grounding in the conditions of the working class and an aptitude for organizing a mass base. Many anarchists are far ahead of many Western MLs in this respect, as being a Western ML is unfortunately often treated more like an identity or club rather than an activity or life dedication or science.

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
          133·
          9 months ago

          Smdh my dick head you’d think with all the fucking books the intellectual Marxists carry around they’d have the muscle to lob a brick once in a while. Put those arms to a better use in the present than jacking each other off about dreams of fighting anarchists in the future.

          • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            135·
            9 months ago

            You’d think MLs would recognize the need to build a mass base but Western self-proclaimed ML parties tend to be like 4 people that alienate everyone around them or are PatSoc adjacent, lol. Not all of them by any means. PSL and some others do a better job, but none are really doing the work of building a mass base. There’s some kind of inescapable drive to do weird out-of-touch shit, lol. They’re all getting dunked on by DSA libs in that arena, lol.

            I also have a great time organizing with several (not all, of course) orgs of various anarchist tendencies.

            I come here out of love as someone that identifies with the ML tradition and keeps running headfirst into trying to get Western commies to actually organize.

          • diegeticscream[all]🔻OP
            31·
            9 months ago

            the muscle to lob a brick once in a while.

            Propaganda of the deed was disproven by like 1910

    • Ronin_5
      2·
      9 months ago

      ML is pretty important. If you support China because you think they’re great capitalists, then that’s pretty sus. Supporting China while being ML shows that you’re pragmatic and not dogmatic.

      Either way, just these three are fairly loose standards already.