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        To be fair, we’re also worried that, if he does, his followers will go violent again. Not that this is a reason to excuse him him prison. It just means that it might not be all rainbows and puppies if Trump goes to prison. Our celebrations might be interrupted by home grown right wing terrorist attacks.

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            I’m definitely not saying that we should go easy on Trump to appease them. We just need to keep in mind that Trump heading to prison won’t be the end of this. We’ll need be be ready to send those terrorists to prison as well.

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          home grown right wing terrorist attacks.

          They’re going to do that regardless, and already are. There are very good reasons why appeasing terrorists is a truly bad idea, and first among them is that it not only doesn’t work, it guarantees more and worse.

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            I’m definitely not saying that we should go easy on Trump to appease them. We just need to keep in mind that Trump heading to prison won’t be the end of this. We’ll need be be ready to send those terrorists to prison as well.

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      I’d be okay with him going into exile in North Korea.

      yeah. let him torture Kim for a while.

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        The realistic conclusion to that would be Trump spilling Top Secret info to North Korea. If not willingly, then via torture. But let’s be honest: It would probably be willingly.

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          Honestly, I don’t think he has the awareness or attention span to be an accurate mole if he’s limited to working from memory.

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            Lol absolutely. Can you imagine Trump trying to recite government intel from memory?

            “So the document said bigly assets were all all over the country. My uncle, college professor in the nuclear — Hillary! Can you believe that, folks? Hillary. Johnathan Trump, went to MIT did the thing, this and that. Tremendous, it was tremendous this government secrets I am telling you now.”

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              And as he’s saying it, his voice just keeps getting softer, like he’s telling you a bedtime story.

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            Real question. What information could he provide that would be of real value? Inside policy but I suspect if the policy makers knew he was spilling the beans, they would adjust as needed.

            Technical information? I doubt he barely knows how to use a smart phone much less give details on a f35.

            I would be curious what the intelligence community would consider high risk if a past president flipped.

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          This actually highlights one of the problems (as a strategy, ignoring humanitarian concerns) with torture- whether or not someone will break has nothing to do with whether they have real, useful information. Once they break, they will say whatever they think their captors want to hear.

          The primary (strategic) alternative is to befriend them; convince them you’re on their side. A tactic that has been shown to be extremely effective on Trump. He’ll gladly spill whatever he thinks he knows as soon as they say something nice about him.

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          Good point. We should maybe abduct both of them, and turn it into a reality tv show. Like The Truman Show. but real.

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            Nope, he would absolutely thrive on something like that; anything less than consignment to the dustbin of obscurity is too good for him.

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      I was solidly in that boat for a while too, but seeing how many of his co-conspirators are tripping over themselves to testify against him lately gives me hope.
      That’s the problem with surrounding yourself with shady people who only have their own interests in mind. They’re not loyal to him, he only kept them around because they told him what he wanted to hear, and they only told him what he wanted to hear because it helped them advance their own personal interests.

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    I’ll believe it when I see it. We will never see him behind bars. Two tiered justice system.

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      Absolute best case is house arrest imo, and I’m sure his lawyers will make sure it includes the entirety of his resort, so basically nothing will change

      I’d love to be wrong, but I don’t think I will

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        This is my hope as well. At least he can’t hold hitler style rallies if he’s confined to the resort though.

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          There’s a lot of space at that resort for guests. I’d bet he’d set up stadium seating and sell tickets to his regular “Rallies” which MAGA types would absolutely flock too like it’s the new Disneyland. Gross.

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    “When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over?” Trump said, miming the physical motion of an officer shielding a suspect’s head to keep it from bumping against the squad car. “Like, don’t hit their head, and they just killed somebody — don’t hit their head,” Trump continued. “I said, you can take the hand away, okay?”

    I hope the prison guards remember this, it’s only fair.

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      because media stalwarts like Meet The Press are doing so great at holding Trump to account huh?

      jfc man, dunno if you noticed the hellscape that is modern media but RS is doing pretty good these days.

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      It’s not like a Rolling Stone journalist went and asked. Journalists have these things called “sources”:

      While Trump publicly professes confidence, privately, three sources familiar with his comments say, he’s been asking lawyers and other people close to him what a prison sentence would look like for a former American president.

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        three sources familiar with his comments

        That would never have gotten past any decent editor 20 years ago.

        See, if you say one unnamed source, it’s not quite as believable to people who lack critical thinking skills and reading comprehension. Better make it three. Five would be too many.

        The yellow journalists also like to used “experts” (unnamed of course) to pedal their garbage talking points.

        “Three sources familiar with some Rolling Stones writer’s thinking say they like to smell their own farts”

        See, I can make shit up too.

        Actual journalism isn’t quite completely dead, but it’s on life support.

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    “They really don’t like me, they’re mean… they’re trying to send me to prison. They’d have done it too, though.”

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    I predicted he would die in prison when he clinched the GOP nomination in 2016- there was no way, I decided, he wouldn’t abuse his office and break a shitload of laws. The last 6 years has been a rude reminder that I seem to have wildly overestimated the capacity and will of America’s political and law enforcement establishments to hold anyone like him accountable for even the kinds of crimes he’s confessed to on the record.

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      See, I very naively thought that it would end with his impeachment. Like, I wasn’t surprised by the law breaking, but I figured that he’d be ousted by a simpler thing like emoluments or something. Oh to be young again…

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        And the thing was the GOP establishment could have just let him hang himself. They hate that they’ve become a personality cult, but it’s their own fucking fault for propping this guy up.

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          That’s what I don’t understand. They have had so many opportunities to get rid of him. They surely know he’s going to lose the next election, I have no clue why they don’t turn on him.

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      I figure he knew where he was heading the moment he learned Hilary had conceded.

      His (starving) brain worms have made an impact since then but I swear, from the look on his face, that he knew where he would end up.

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    Apparently he just “ordered” congressional GOP members to shut down the government so they can’t fund the DOJ lmaooo someone is getting desperate.

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      It’s beautiful. Republican leadership knows they’ll get the blame if there’s a shutdown and they’re trying to avoid it, and Trump tries to muck that up.

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      A large portion of the Republican Reps don’t like Trump any more than the Democrats. I’m sure they are following his “orders”

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        But for 6 years they’ve propped him up, and now they’re stuck with him. They could have let him hang himself and gotten President Pence (who the GOP would have loved) in the first year of Trump’s term, but they didn’t.

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    I think it’s important to cover his trials but I wish we’d ignore these articles which are rooted in gossip and nothing more. It’s just clickbait.

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      I understand your complaint, but I do relish the idea of Trump being worried shitless about this. And while the article’s sources are obviously questionable and it is merely hearsay, I personally do think Trump is terrified of going to prison. This is a man who has known nothing but wealth and privilege his entire life; spending his remaining years in a jail cell means not just a loss of his favored lifestyle, but public humiliation as well, which—for a malignant narcissist like Trump—is probably the worst part of it.

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        That’s a weird way of saying “support bad journalism that tells you what you want to hear, it’s ok to keep watering journalism down”

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          Not what I was saying at all, but you obviously just see what you want to see in other people’s words, rather than trying to actually understand them.

          Fuck off.

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            “I do understand your complaint, but - [let me write you a paragraph explaining why the article tickles my jollies, oh boy!]”

            It’s not hard to see why that sounds like a counterpoint being made. Especially since if it wasn’t, then it’s really just a pointless comment.

            You may now fuck off.

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      For that to happen he’d have to be capable of worshiping something other than himself.

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        Shit, even if he tried to fake it; I doubt he’d be able to get up off the floor from prayer.

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      Nation of Islam is like “WE DO NOT ALLOW PORK TO WORSHIP”

      I could see it happening tho, “I am no longer Donald Trump, I am Quarter-Pounder-with-Cheese Shabaz Mo Frommage”

      but whenever anyone attempts to address him that way he looks confused.

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      There’s a scene near the end of the Better Call Saul series where Saul Goodman is negotiating with the feds for better prison terms.

      I feel like I heard somewhere that a meeting like this is not uncommon with high value/high risk criminals. In part to reduce everybody’s legal fees and in part to get criminals to cooperate on other matters, such as getting the crazies in their orbit to chill out.

      I could imagine that as the feds close in on Trump, such a meeting may become more attractive to him. And at long last he’ll finally retire to a golden club fed with an escalator.

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    I’m waiting for a Hallmark Channel redemption arc for him. He goes to prison, slowly befriends his fellow cell mates and empathizes with them, and emerges a changed man who gives up his fortune in order to fight the injustices against the common man.

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        It’s hallmark fiction, so yeah. Also, he gets back with Melllania who dumped him, and they raise happy, perfect kids together.

        Also this all happens at Christmas time because they ran into each other in line for a street vendor selling pumpkin spice lattes

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            how could I forget the roasted chestnut cart. also the ice skating rink in the background. The script practically writes itself.

            (mostly because hallmark scripts are copy pasta…)

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      Reads the constitution. After a thousand times, he starts to get it.
      “Oh, I should be in prison.”

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      He goes on to form a golf team with some of the inmates at his prison, and in a partnership with Vince McMahon they start up a prison golf league where the various prison teams play each other in an annual tournament. The winners get extra Little Debbie snacks from the prison commissary. Eventually they make a movie, and Donald Trump is played by Rosie O’Donnell.