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    Poor people should just simply try working for their father’s company for a year and then taking a VP position at a small fortune 500. I don’t understand why they won’t try that, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Tsk tsk tsk.

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      look, we all know if you click this link here you too can be a millionaire working 6 hours a week. (link withheld because i want to be a millionaire first)

      Click “Like” and subscribe to my channel for more tips on being rich!

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      They should just tell their daddies to make another film. Please daddy please! 20 million dollars is still 12 million dollars after taxes!

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    There’s so many other issues too, such as the fact that old job posts don’t really get removed, employers/recruiters also spam multiple websites with their job posts and forget to check them, and some of the job descriptions don’t even match what you go and sign up for.

    No salaries mentioned on lots of posts, multi stage interviews that somehow demand your free time during work hours, so good luck interviewing for other roles while you have a job. Take home assignments that take multiple hours sometimes, sacrificing a whole evening.

    Recruiters that will ask for all your information again, despite having found your phone number from your CV, and once you go through that, tell you they have nothing for you and that they’ll be in touch.

    Questions that mean nothing in an interview, including acronyms I haven’t used or even heard of outside of interviewing for other jobs, because my job doesn’t need or use them, we just do the work.

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      Don’t forget the tech listings that require 5 years experience in a particular programming language when the language has only even existed for the past 2 years…

      Catch-22 situations, where it’s impossible to meet the qualifications. 🤦‍♂️

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      Take home assignments that take multiple hours sometimes, sacrificing a whole evening.

      Do NOT do this.

      Taking a live proficiency test is one thing, particularly if you’re applying for more senior roles, but doing actual projects for free in your spare time should be a hard pass. Full stop.

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        I made the mistake of doing a take home assignment once. They didn’t even have the courtesy to give me feedback on it when I asked.

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        Not doing a home assignment(or work test as we call them) would mean never getting a job within the industry I work in, or at least not within the country I’m in.

        And as someone that have been on both sides of this they are a great tool especially as it gives something to focus on in a technical interview. Though I would say that a requirement for this is that you always give/get actual feedback.

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      I feel like these are the real issues - I can’t tell how much of OP is meant to be a joke … “You forget to check the website and you miss the time”. I mean, that’s on you. Also it’s often easy to blag the magic words an interviewer wants to hear, the real danger is that the job is NOT as advertised.

      The number of interviews I used to sit in on, and wonder WTF the interviewer was thinking… One asked a service designer “if you were a type of cake, what would you be?”

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        I would disagree, those issues are valid too. Why does every website needs its own account, phone number etc? I get so many spam calls when I start looking for a job because of this. Just e-mail me. I’m not going to check your website every day for 2 weeks just to see if you get back to me.

        The spam calls also put less value on actually answering my phone, because half the time it is a spam call. Why does every recruiter need to call? Why does every site need a number when I just need one answer, yes or no. I have my CV, I have my skills on my CV, and with one reply I can send you a very short list of what I’m looking for in 2 minutes, not every job needs a 30 minute phone conversation only for the recruiter to decide they have nothing for me.

        And yes, there are magic words the interviewer wants to hear as well. As someone who sometimes struggles in higher pressure situations (which my field does not require at all btw), and also struggles with using the correct vocabulary or recalling random phrases and key words they want to hear, it’s frustrating to no end.

        Honestly, I feel this should have all been streamlined by now, especially when I’ve already worked somewhere for years and my company has been satisfied with my performance - why is this not enough? Why can’t this be quantified somehow? An alternative which very few companies do is give me a technical/practical interview that’s actually like the job as advertised. Much easier for remote roles, but can be done in person too. Let me do the job, show you I can do the job, and then you decide to hire me based on that.

        I do relate to your last point though, the amount of unrelated riddles or whatever get asked to ‘see how I think’ or something is ridiculous. Even when I get the answers right, the interviewer themselves don’t seem sure. I don’t get it.

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          In my industry, practical interviews are very common, but they’re not always reliable. I can get as much from asking someone about their process and being talked through a case study they’ve chosen, as giving them a practical exercise to perform on the spot. I’d usually do both.

          I’m not disagreeing with the overall inefficiency and frustration of the whole process, I’ve felt it on both sides. It’s messy - bad or overstretched HR teams, slow managers, unclear budgets, poor choice of tech platforms…

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        One asked a service designer “if you were a type of cake, what would you be?”

        “Cheesecake with chocolate frosting. Don’t ask me why, it’s confidential.” (stupid questions deserve stupid answers)

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          The only possible use I could imagine, was to test how people respond to irrelevant stupid questions, since that happens a lot in some workplaces. Do they get frustrated and make it awkward, or shrug it off politely.

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            Good point. So how would you say I did… was the frosting part too much? 😃

            But really, I wonder if it’s also a neurodivergence test; in an actual interview setting, I’d probably tend to think about it seriously and answer sincerely, then follow up with details if prompted.

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              Haha, yeah you might be onto something there. It felt like a way to pull the rug from under people to see how they cope, which wasn’t nice. I try to put people at ease in interviews, rather than try to catch them out.

              I was ambushed with a “so, what do you do for fun?” once and the sudden context switch made me pause for so long that I must’ve seemed like I had no life outside of work 😬

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                I was ambushed with a “so, what do you do for fun?” once

                Same, I said “I like electronics and taking things apart”, for an IT position. Got the job, ended up on printer duty. That wasn’t what I meant by “fun” 😐

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    Well, problem 1 is using indeed. What an obsolete site for most places. But i get the joke.

    Not that prospects are much better elsewhere. Like LinkedIn for instance with their “click here for instant apply” and then you see that you’re one of 50 people (today) to apply for this open role and some AI in the background estimated based on your profile that you have 22% chance of getting the job BUT if you pay for premium you can knock that 22% up to 50% and an AI writes you a better profile…

    I really do feel sorry for the crap the boomer gen and even my generation (genx) has left every generation after.

    #eattherich

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        Depends on your level and job. Honestly I’m still going to say LinkedIn in most cases, if only because Its the professional social network. Companies can look you up, so you need a good profile to attract those recruiters that pay to find people. It’s a sick game, but at least now there are AI profile services that can help you get ahead.

        Indeed is cheap and used by cheap recruiters to get the most applicants directed to some other job board that costs them near nothing to aggregate resumes. You can’t even be sure you’re using the company job site to apply in some cases. At least with LinkedIn you can do the searching for the real job post.

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        I’ve had a lot of response back through LinkedIn. Landed one of my jobs through it. Other three were personal and professional connections.

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        All of the jobs I’ve had in my life, that I didn’t get through personal connexions, I’ve found on glassdoor.

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          Glassdoor has got to be the worst name for a job site. Evokes the phrase “glass ceiling” which is not something that anyone wants to have at their job.

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      Except indeed has replaced every job listing and recruitment. Even the “top” recruiting firms now are doing all their work on indeed.

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        Yep. Comes down to money and they can’t make big money off you if you hide behind the great LinkedIn pay wall. Look, recruiters like everyone else are trying to milk every penny out of their sale (you). You say “top” but are they exclusive? Are you applying at the company portal? Can you find this job yourself and apply direct? Top recruiters doesn’t mean as much as is used to. Right now you’re one of 30 applicants being submitted by a semi-competent recruiter that uses a tool to evaluate how much your resume fits and how much profit they can make if they bring you in under the salary range.

        Indeed is a crap job site used by cheap recruiters. at least with LinkedIn you’re better armed with searching.

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      At my last job I got sick of the management so I just did easy apply to like 50 jobs that were suitable as they came up. Actually got my current job from it. Unfortunately probably won’t happen now since there are like 20k laid off people looking in my field.

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        I have applied to over 500 jobs on LinkedIn. I got one interview. I swear sometimes that it’s all just a hamster wheel and nobody ever gets a job through it.

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          From my experience smaller companies are more likely to respond to them. I also prefer smaller companies so it’s a filter for me. That and it’s like 0 effort haha

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    My hubby went in for an interview and was told he got the job so he told his other prospective employers that he was no longer interested. Before he could arrange a start date, they ghosted him. He tried to call but it went to an outsourced helpdesk that told him they would create a ticket and he would get a call back. No call after several days. He physically went into the place and the hiring manager seemed flustered that he was there and told him they would contact him. After two weeks from when he was told he would get the job, he finally got a hold of the guy he interviewed with and was told they gave the position to someone else because he was “unreachable”.

    Problems like this are the reason why I don’t hold loyalty to any company unless they’ve proven their competency. The ones that are good rarely hire because the employees don’t want to leave.

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      That’s terrible, I hope it all worked out, but absolutely never say anything until you’ve both signed a contract unless you’re looking for a counter offer, which is risky AF.

      People pull out of informal agreements all the time, it’s not an employer thing - legal issues, real estate, appointments, competition prizes, dates…

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      Yeah that’s why I hold off on turning down other offers until the last possible moment when I know 100% the new gig is locked down. Then you inform them as gently and kindly as possible to leave the door open if it doesn’t work out. Usually the good ones won’t take it personally and are open to working together in the future if you decide to leave.

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      Was scared of the same thing happening to me, was ghosted for 2 MONTHS and was about to start at a different place when they finally reached back with a bunch of excuses. The same company says they desperately need more workers lol

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    You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. “Do you want to fill out the application manually, or upload your resume?” You select the latter and upload your resume. Indeed loads the next page: “Please fill out your work history manually.” You scream 20 times

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    “No one wants to work anymore” does not mean what it’s individual words imply. It’s like “fucking hell”. It has a different meaning.

    It means “we don’t want to pay, we think labor is too expensive”

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      That and/or, “I’m such a raging asshole that I’ve created a terrible, toxic environment and everybody always quits.”

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        Literally, people like rslash used to exploit whenever reddit tells stories (unclear if their even real) about karens demanding labor so cheap, these ‘people’ (insanely one note and possably fake people) ask coerse people to work for them for less than half of what you’d expect from a gig or office job or no money at all.

        rslash choosing beggers::: spoiler image :::

        Are these the boomer karens your refering to?

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    Tumblr post by user anotherchariotpulledbycats reading

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. The silence is deafening.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require you to create an account on the company website. You have a trail of ghost accounts that will be used once and never again. You never receive a response.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but it’s so rare for you to receive any response that you forget to check the website and you miss the time.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but you don’t know the magic words that signal to the esoteric mind of an interviewer that you’re fit for the job.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer e-mails you saying that ‘unfortunately, you do not have the qualifications we are looking for’. You check the job again and see you applied to be a menial labourer.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require a car a car. No one stops to ask how you’re supposed to afford one with no job.

    "You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers a job. The commute makes you want to die in your sleep.

    "You call the HR manager for the workplace in hopes of arranging an interview more directly. They don’t even have an answering machine.

    “Employers complain that no one wants to work anymore.”

    [I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]

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      You do good work, keep it up. Oh and also, blockquotes are useful for distinguishing quoted text. I hope this makes your life a little easier


      My title of my post

      I am sir quoted

      I talk a lot and on many lines

      Thanks, my footnote


      In your post editor it looks like

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      Posts on lemmy and and a lot of other places support markdown. Its really handy.

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    I finally got to experience this from the inside. I was on the team that interviewed people to back fill my position after I was promoted. We didn’t interview 1 external candidate. Promoted someone from below and then hired a new entry level person. We realized our internal hire has less experience, but they were the safe fast option that could get started right away.

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      It’s so, so frustrating that so many places require a job to be posted even when there’s an internal candidate and it’s already been decided. I work in government where we’re often hard-required to post all jobs and it sucks to see so many people applying for a job when I know they absolutely will not be considered for the role.

      In my experience, a majority of job postings are essentially fake because it’s already been decided, and I hate it.

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    I’m a graphic designer and I applied to over 100 jobs before a recruiter got back to me and said she loved my portfolio and sent it up the chain.

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        That was earlier today so I haven’t heard anything yet.

        I also read an article recently that companies are posting “ghost jobs” where they don’t plan to hire anyone at all.

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          Yes, the “ghost jobs” are for two reasons:

          • Collect resumes in case finance approves more funding. In that case, they will be read.
          • Appear to be growing to stockholders and analysts. If you say you are growing and have no job openings, they will not believe you.
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            Yeah I’ve experienced the first one. I accepted a position somewhere else long before, but by the time one of the companies had gotten back to me, it had been 7 months since I applied.

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          I also read an article recently that companies are posting “ghost jobs” where they don’t plan to hire anyone at all.

          Also the whole, “post a job with impossible requirements, back fill with cheap imported workers/my mate when the position is inevitably unfilled”.

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            Careful, if you talk about how the USA’s H1-B visa program is a steaming pile of horseshit designed to allow corporate America to commit fraud and give away 80,000 skilled jobs a year to underpaid imported workers instead of paying market rates to well-qualified US citizens and green card holders, you might get downvoted. Folks here have trouble with balancing their hatred of corporate America with their hatred of the word “citizen” being used unironically.

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    It’s a ridiculous situation, where you are left feeling like shit. and when you get the job you realize it is not you but the company is the shit

    I feel like I was born at the worst point in time.

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      i hate how we’re supposed to act like we’re the Most Perfect fit for the role, and So Eager! – the most ideal human to ever walk the earth, specifically for this role.

      and you get the job and go there and the coworkers aren’t fucking god and apollo, it’s joey and mark

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        1000 times this. it feels as if I am auditioning to an acting role and not a job interview. I have watched some videos on YouTube on how to ace a job interview in my field, I couldn’t finish a video without feeling my stomach churn. and it is through and through about what you can bring to their company, and very rarely about what they can bring to you.

        Even prostitution feels less dehumanizing than a regular job.

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        A least back in that time I could just go into some desolate forest labor a patch of land, raise some chickens and not be bothered by anyone. now the homeless can’t even sleep in the park or public land without having the rich and the state chase them off.

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          That patch of land belongs to the King, peasant. Off the Kingswoods with you.

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            Kingdoms back then didn’t have as much control of the land and the people as nation states with all the suppressing technological and army apparatus of today. In many parts of the world you’ll be living peacefully for decades before any tax collectors showed up. World history goes beyond Europe’s borders

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                You had the boomer take of “hurr durr, they don’t teach history anymore” one reply up, then immediately say dumb shit like this…

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                  Yeah yeah the average life expectancy was dragged down because of infant mortality I know. Congratulations, you found a technicality, dumbass. Do you deny my general point - which there’s no way you’re dumb enough to miss - that the standard of life, and medicine in particular, have vastly improved in the modern era?

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        At least in WWI I’d have gotten 4Fs and could off myself without any shame. In this life it’s like, shameful to give up but also impossible to get a scrap of enjoyment out of it.

        Edit: also your argument is whataboutism

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        Honestly I think I’d make that trade. At least if they lived they would have a house, family and kids to come home to. And a lifetime of prosperity. I’d trade a few horrible years for that. Either way I wouldn’t have to live an entire lifetime struggling for everything.

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            Im guessing its that he uses the most rosey speach he can, failing to relize that theres some kind of hell for the returning soldiers, or that they dont return.

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    This has literally been my experience! I’ve submitted near 100 applications and NOTHING! I’m 20, living at home with my parents breathing down my neck and saying how lazy I am for not getting a job while NO ONE will fucken hire me! I’ve even done walk in interviews and STILL NOTHING! I don’t know what to do anymore and feel like I’m stuck in hell. Cant leave this house cuz I’m broke, can’t get a car cuz I’m broke, can’t pay my crazy medical bills cuz I’m broke. College for me is over after this semester if I can’t get at least minimum wage employment and what do ppl say to me when I complian? WHY DONT YOU JUST GET A JOB!!? I’m so tired, I’m so done, just end me now.

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        I actually took the comptia cert test in 9th grade, only problem was I was not told before hand I couldn’t have anyone else walking infont of the camera while I was doing it, as I was using the family PC at the time it was smack dab in the midlle of a hallway that everyone used. So they failed me. But yea my major is cybersec, so I’ve got a good career if I can’t pay for it. As for the medical stuff, I have a rare ear tumor called cholestiatoma that needs to be operated on so there’s that. Sorry if it sounds like all I’m doing is removed but life seems pretty hopeless right now. On the bright side I am working on a game I plan to release in a couple of months!

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    Where is the lemmy for jobs? There is no need to create an account for every company if they all use activitypub.

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      More than half of my recent applications all used the same workday application service, but you need a unique workday account for every fucking company. Why in the world is it not just a single account‽

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        It’s intentional and is basically hazing. They think you will want the job more if they make you put unnecessary effort into applying for it.

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        In terms of infosec, it’s better for each to have it’s own account as you don’t want any linkages to other organisations with your data.

        It’s a gigantic pain in the hole though when you use a password manager.

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        there needs to be a common form for job applications like with college

        they’re incentivized to make it as shitty as possible both for this rite of passage shite as well as de-incentivizing workers in general from switching jobs ‘too freely’. it helps retention knowing how fucking miserable the process is

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          there needs to be a common form for job applications like with college

          Wait, what? This is a thing now? Back in the late 1990’s this was most certainly not a thing, but if it’s a thing now - wow!

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    Put in about 40 apps on indeed. Got one interview, didn’t get job. Couple weeks later got an email from one employer that I wasn’t what the were looking for. I responded, thanking them for at least responding. Got the interview. I hit 5 years in the job next week.

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    You had me until missing an interview is not your fault. When I got an interview I wrote that date and time on everything. I couldnt go five feet without a reminder. If you miss an interview (barring medical or personal emergency) that’s on you, but I guess that’s an unpopular opinion.

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      You can’t set reminders if you never knew the interview existed. It’s still their fault, but it’s an easy mistake to make.

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        Even further, each site is unique in features, layout and design. Its a dice roll how youll be contacted or how you set reminders in app. if they have a date/time, put it in your calendar app, dont rely on their garbage.

        Edit: some dont notify you they even made an event for you, welp your screwed.

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      but it’s so rare for you to receive any response that you forget to check the website

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      I read it differently. It’s an ambience. The author is not taking off actual interviews being scheduled.

      Rather, replies to your applications are so few that you end up getting frustrated. Because of that, in the long run, you forget checking the website. Now, if in the meanwhile you get a reply, nobody’s home to receive it.

      You miss it not because you’re lazy or careless, but because you’re human and there’s so much you can do to keep hoping.

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      not really the main point or any reason to dismiss the whole thing. we aren’t playthings for corporations, the whole interviewing facade where we’re supposed to be dutiful and perfect and company-fearing is dumb

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      This has happened to me and there’s some confusion in the comments so I’ll attempt to clarify here, it’s not missing an interview in the way we’re perceiving it. What happens is;

      On indeed, you can pre-fill out an application and “quick apply” to most jobs, and that’s the entire application process for that job. If you’re accepted for an interview, they will message you on the indeed app or maybe via email.

      But many of the jobs you can apply to on indeed don’t accept quick apply and instead direct you to their website, where you apply again, and from then on must log into their site frequently checking back for responses, potential invites to interviews, recommendations for other openings etc.

      So they’re not missing an interview they’ve been notified about, they’re missing the notification of an upcoming interview because they didn’t check the site that notified them.

      Is that still on them? Yeah, technically. But many, many sites are now doing this on indeed. Back when I was applying it didn’t take me long to be signed up for indeed + DG + Walmart+ Amazon + UPS etc etc.

      I’m sure I’m signed up to at least 50 different sites. 99% of those sites will never notify me of anything aside from other job openings.

      So you get forgetful sometimes, checking 50 sites a day can do that to you.

      Then one of them offers you an interview on their site, but you only checked 40 sites today and spent the rest of your time mass quick applying to 100 new jobs instead of checking the remaining 10 sites that had a .001% chance of actually offering you a job anyway.

      I mean, yeah, the blame is still on them. If you’re in desperate need of a job with nothing else going on then you should be religiously checking every site you’re signed up with. However, I can see forgetting to check one or two as well because there are a fucking lot and it’s a lot to remember.

      I remember hating to apply to jobs that required me to use their site so, so badly, because they ALREADY had my application from indeed but instead of just using that app they want me to arbitrarily sign up for their site instead, that’s likely much more of a hassle than indeed, and add ANOTHER fucking layer of difficulty to just getting a damn job.

      A better way to get employees seems to be to just accept quick applications from indeed, message them on the app and just set up a damn interview. With indeed available I’m not sure why these companies even use their own sites.

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    Been a software developer for 15 years. I’ve applied for hundreds of positions this summer and all of them either never call me back or say they are interested in other candidates. I actually fucked up two coding tests this week and I dunno anymore. I’m just so disappointed and money is starting to get tight, and I have a surprise medical bill for a biologic. I’m thinking when I can’t afford rent, I’ll just kill myself.

    What’s worse is I did have a job for two months but I fucked it up and botched a production instance. They let me go a couple weeks later, I wasn’t a good fit. I wanted to die then, and the sensation hasn’t gone away either. I lie about it because saying you are suicidal is a great way to be rubber roomed.

    Some days posting on 196 isn’t even worth it.

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      Hey friend, I’m sorry that you’ve fucked up a bunch lately. I know the feeling. Just know that you are really valuable to your family and friends, and they’d be extremely hurt if you did do something like that.

      Everyone is feeling so stretched right now, and you are not alone. But we will get through this, and things will get easier down the road.

      I know it sounds stupid, but money is just… money. Yes we need it to survive in this day, but your life is worth so much more than a bit of cash or debt… and it sounds like you’re a smart person. So just know that those mistakes are a part of your journey, and a part of moulding you into the person you will be in a few years.

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      New guy botching a production instance, for a developer…isn’t your problem.

      Sorry but that’s on them. You shouldn’t be able to deploy bad code to prod. Whoever approved the MR fucked up and you caught the blame. You’re better off without them.

      Infra guys like me (networking) yeah, sure, because our test environment happens to also be our prod environment.

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      Coding tests are the fucking worst.

      Almost never representative of the actual work and usually far more restrictive than the actual work too. (In that you can’t search, might be watched, etc)

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        I agree. It pains me that I have to ask them. The ones my company does are very restrictive and high pressure. I personally try to choose reasonable problems with realistic scenarios (especially when interviewing entry level folks). I also have lots of follow up questions that I like to think are well grounded on realism.

        I personally give a complete pass for stuff like standard library functions and will outright tell the candidate about an available function if they’re unsure what it’s called or how its used. I’m testing problem solving and an understanding of language , fundamentals not their ability to memorize a standard library. I mean, heck, I can’t begin to count how many times I’ve had to google “[language] sort list”.

        Honestly, it sucks to have to watch a candidate struggle. It’s awkward and not fun. I want to see the candidate do well. And heck, if they can’t do well, I want them to at least be able to make progress, because I know it would feel bad to feel like you bombed the interview. Sadly, the environment of tech interviews isn’t conductive to that. They’re stressful and sometimes perfectly qualified candidates do poorly simply because of nerves.

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      I feel like for software, the big barrier is getting past HR/recruiters. Once you get to talk to someone technical, it’s a lot easier. But hell if I know how the heck the non technical staff decides how to progress people.

      I’ve done tech interviews. They’re leetcode, which isn’t great, but at least it’s fair. There’s no magic words there. I just want to know if you can reasonably approach a problem (and I don’t pick anything I couldn’t get hired on), can show problem solving skills, and show an understanding of algorithms and data structures. You don’t even need to solve the problem if you can come close and your thinking out loud shows good skills. And most definitely don’t need to be an optimal solution (though it helps).

      But getting to the tech screen, I don’t even know. I’ve made internal referrals that never even get assigned to anyone, despite a glowing referral. Maybe it’s just super competitive. Maybe there’s a scarcity of low level positions (though I know many teams that are top heavy and only need low level positions). I really know nothing about what it takes to get to the tech screen level. But once you’re there, I really do think it’s a lot more reasonable (not at all perfect, but better).