China has lashed out at Germany after its foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” and summoned Berlin’s ambassador for a dressing down, in the latest flaring of tensions with a western democratic power over how the Chinese leader is described overseas.

  • @quindraco@lemm.ee
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    1548 months ago

    Very noticeable that they didn’t specify how he wasn’t a dictator, nor what other label would be more appropriate.

    • I Cast Fist
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      658 months ago

      “I am not a dictator! Anyone who says I am will get jailed!” - Grand Poohbear of China, 2023

      • @quindraco@lemm.ee
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        258 months ago

        I use a client that can block instances, so I have all of Hexbear blocked. It radically improves the Lemmy experience.

        • Red Wizard 🪄
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          Never hear a dissenting opinion. I’ll take, what is an echo chamber for $200.

          • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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            Just because they blocked Hexbear doesn’t mean they block all the opinions they dislike.

            Hexbear is just full of radicals and trolls.

          • @zooi@feddit.nl
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            Have you ever bothered to read the rules of your instance? If I go on there and say anything negative about your cute dictator I’ll be banned. However, you can freely go on our greedy capitalist instances and praise your teddy bear as much as you want. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I guess your mind can’t comprehend being free.

            • Red Wizard 🪄
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              Do you mean the rule about not being Sinophobic? Is that really a hard rule for you to follow? I like to look at objective reality instead of just barking the same nonsensical shibboleths when the topic of China arises.

              • @zooi@feddit.nl
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                No capitalist apologia / anti-communism

                You would whine even harder if lemmy.ml had No communist apologia / anti-capitalism in their rules.

                • Red Wizard 🪄
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                  Most anti-communism has no basis in reality and often are myths perpetuated by state agencies. All Anti-Capitalist sentiment is rooted in the material realities of our world and life. To deny socialist historical reality is to deny your own history, and ultimately is an admission of your disingenuous support of the truth.

                  Historical Materialism is truth seeking in practice. It requires you to have a fact based, objective view of our past and present.

                  Also I don’t know why I would whine, because I’m not using lemmy.ml. That instance can have whatever rules they want. I wouldn’t block or defederate from them because of it either. But if you are not interested in seeking the truth and objectively observing reality, then I guess you can insolate yourself from it and keep your echos.

      • @randint@lemm.ee
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        88 months ago

        Thankfully, OP is from an instance that has not federated with Hexbear. Hexbear users won’t be able to see this post.

        • spez
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          18 months ago

          But they have posted to .ml which is federated with hexbear. So the poster’s instance needs to be federated no the instance of the community where the post is?

    • @LarkinDePark
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      -298 months ago

      Because he was democratically elected in a transparent election. Unlike the current American demented imbecile.

    • Łumało [he/him]
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      -338 months ago

      Haha, racism! I love that one!

      Whatcha gonna do, China? That’s right, nothing.

      What is there to do when you are already the one winning?

      • @OldPain@lemmy.world
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        I’m an American so I can answer this question sincerely. When you are already the one winning, you work as hard as ever to keep winning. You innovate more. This is the American way. It’s why we’re the most advanced country on the planet, and it’s how we maintain that lead. Building off of the work of previous generations who made and did amazing things. That’s our approach and it works fucking awesome.

    • @LarkinDePark
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      Jesus, just open KKK on here. Americans are truly the scum of the earth.

              • @GreenMario@lemm.ee
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      • @OldPain@lemmy.world
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        -108 months ago

        Well you can fuck right off! The same person *supposedly upset about the KKK just discriminated against 330,000,000 people from every country on Earth in the very next breath. You’re worse than racist.

        • @LarkinDePark
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          Yeah I’m bigoted against genocidal psychopaths. Fuck me right?

        • Pili
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          He talked about Americans, not people.

    • Ooops
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      Hitler obviously wasn’t a dictator as he was democratically elected by a majority (after competing parties were banned) and then -just out of situational necessity of course- got a lot of extra powers to ignore laws and constitution.

      Yeah, I see how that Chinese definition works.

      • Krause [he/him]
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        Hitler obviously wasn’t a dictator as he was democratically elected by a majority (after competing parties were banned) and then -just out of situational necessity of course- got a lot of extra powers to ignore laws and constitution.

        wow, just like zelensky!

        history sure is wacky sometimes…

          • Pili
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            The power of staying in nice hotels around the world, racking a lot of cash while sending the poor people of his country to the meat grinder.

  • spez
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    718 months ago

    I love how every single comment making fun Xi the pooh here is getting downvoted lol

      • @MeowZedong
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        Probably the antiracists. You should wonder if you’re on the right side when you are promoting and supporting racism.

        • @OR3X@lemm.ee
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          LMAO! Racist? I didn’t know “dictator” was a race! Please, enlighten me.

          • @MeowZedong
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            The Winnie the Pooh meme about Xi is just racism. I don’t care if you think he’s a dictator.

            • @DarthFrodo@lemmy.world
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              The Taiwanese use the meme all the time. Obviously not because it looks like Xi in particular and especially because of fragile censoring, but because they like to be racist against themselves. That must be it.

              Calling Trump a guinea pig is probably also considered racist in lemmygrad.

              • Krause [he/him]
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                it’s not racist bro the “taiwanese” use the meme all the time

                • @randint@lemm.ee
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                  The guy who replied to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in your second screenshot seems like one of the far-right wingers. They do not, in any capacity, represent the general population.

              • @LarkinDePark
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                and especially because of fragile censoring

                You think these memes are censored? Lol, you live in an authoritarian shithole that brainwashes you with this stupid shit. Use your brain.

              • @MeowZedong
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                Taiwan is where the former Republic of China retreated after being defeated by the People’s Republic of China. The censorship of Xi=Pooh in China isn’t rooted in racism, it’s rooted in the political conflicts between the ROC and PRC. China censors these comparisons because they are used by opponents to attack the government. You don’t have to agree with their methods to understand why they would want to do this. Censoring realistic threats to the ruling government is a common practice in all nations.

                The racist aspect originates from how the meme is used in Western circles where there is a long history of racism towards minorities and the enemies of the US as well as a long history of sinophobia.

                If your understanding of history, racism, and their opinions of Trump are so shallow, maybe lurking Lemmygrad to learn why users from this instance act so aggressively towards racism and war-mongering propaganda would be helpful.

                • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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                  If being connected to a cartoon is a “realistic threat” then you have a shit government

            • @unphazed@lemmy.world
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              Not racist at all. It’s against one person. Trump’s face is seen on an orange all the time. No one is calling for racism. He just looks like a damn orange.

              • Krause [he/him]
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                Not racist at all. It’s against one person.

                So depicting Obama as a monkey in a political cartoon wouldn’t be racist?

              • @LarkinDePark
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                So if Obama was depicted as Curious George that’d be cool yeah?

                • @Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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                  If only Obama was depicted like that, yes.

                  But it is commonly used to depict black people in general.

                  While nobody uses Winnie the Pooh to depict Chinese people, only their dictator.

              • @MeowZedong
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                There’s a big difference here.

                Is Trump’s skin naturally orange? Is there a long history of oppressing white people in the US and other NATO countries?

                Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme didn’t originate as a racist symbol doesn’t mean that it isn’t used to propagate racism and sinophobia.

                • eltimablo
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                  Just because the Winnie the Pooh meme isn’t actually racist doesn’t mean I’m not going to call it racist in a pathetic attempt to establish a fake moral high ground over people who have arguments I can’t counter

                  There, I fixed it for you.

                • @unphazed@lemmy.world
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                  Xi isn’t in the US and his country isn’t part of NATO. Political cartoons are as old as time. They poke fun at the individual, not their descent. By trying to make it more you’re arguing for it to be censored. He has feelings (maybe), but he has gone so far as to attempt to censor the cartoon from his own country. Not because he believes it is racist, but because his opinion is that he doesn’t like it. Streisand Effect of course, it gets used more. I think Xi does remarkably look like Pooh. Do other Asian persons? No. There isn’t an innocence about it. Xi feels bad by it, people use it to make him angry. He is a dictator with lots of power so people use the one tool they have to attempt to fight that power - a fucking cartoon bear.

                • @GBU_28@lemm.ee
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                  78 months ago

                  What? Winnie the Pooh is from a British cartoon…Asian people aren’t described as “orange” by racists. I don’t think you know the origin of this meme

                  Please illustrate how a British cartoon character is a racist caricature of xi? Is Barack Obama a tiger?

          • @MeowZedong
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            Right, because the meme about a Chinese man being a yellow bear isn’t racist.

              • @MeowZedong
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                Dehumanizing people through racism is a well established method the US has historically used when manufacturing consent to go to war among its people. Look at depictions of Germans and Japanese in WWII. Look at depictions of Koreans, the Vietnamese, Afghans, and Iraqis during the invasions of their countries.

                Just because its origins weren’t racist doesn’t mean it hasn’t taken on a racist meaning. Sinophobia is rooted in racism and ignorance.

    • @hackris@lemmy.ml
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      It’s definitely part communists, but I think mostly special interest groups, maybe even from China itself.

      • Łumało [he/him]
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        You really want to feel special enough to think the Chinese government would even care about this internet backwater? Get real.

        • @hackris@lemmy.ml
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          Altering public opinion is definitely on their agenda. I’m not the type of person that screams China bad on everything, but this simply wouldn’t surprise me. Also, nobody is trying to feel special here, except for you.

  • NotTheOnlyGamer
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    When the shoe fits, start wearing it. PRC is an authoritarian state led by a dictator and his cronies.

    • Pili
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      You could even say, it is far-right.

  • TheSaneWriter
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    408 months ago

    Most dictators haven’t gone by that term, preferring instead some other executive role like chairman, supreme leader, or president. If Xi doesn’t want to be called a dictator, maybe China should start holding open elections, see how popular the CCP really is.

    • @sevenapples
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      The CCP has higher approval rates than western governments and the vast majority of Chinese believe they are living in a democracy. This is confirmed by western studies; latest one I’ve seen was from Harvard.

        • @sevenapples
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          Enough for them to believe that they live in a democracy, it seems (and I don’t say that sarcastically).

          It’s not like people in liberal democracies have more influence. We can’t choose who runs, and each individual’s vote is negligible. I don’t know the specifics of China’s government, but I suspect they value being able to influence local policy and higher official elections via the Communist Party more than a direct vote on its leader – I would too, honestly.

        • @zephyreks@programming.dev
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          A fair bit, actually. China’s political system is basically a popularity system from bottom to top. At the lowest level, politicians only stay in power if their population is happy. This trickles up to the provincial level, where politicians again only stay in power if their population is happy. At a national level, the national leaders stay in power by building, essentially, large cabinets out of different provincial and regional leaders - thus, their entire position relies on keeping the provinces happy.

          It’s not the perfect system, but Chinese citizens can fairly easily impact local and even provincial policy and, by extension, influence national policy (recently, by repealing the COVID lockdowns with mass protests).

          The CCP isn’t an absolute monarchy or something. At the end of the day, it serves it’s people. The power of the Chinese economy is in its industrial capacity, after all, not in its wealth: the needs of the people need to be addressed to keep the country stable.

        • @CohortCzort
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          The same as the average western person… So probably very little.

          • @discount_door_garlic@lemmy.world
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            don’t make conflations with the USA and other liberal democracies. There are plenty of transparent, effective democracies where popular votes matter massively, and saying because the USA is electorally broken that everywhere is only serves the narrative that true liberal democracy “isn’t possible” i.e., exactly what China and Russia suggest.

      • @Syldon@feddit.uk
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        -38 months ago

        The CCP does not have confidence in that though, hence the way it runs the elections there.

        • @sevenapples
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          I’d say that it has confidence in that, but their elections and government are structured in a different way.

            • @sevenapples
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              If 95% of ford owners were satisfied with their black cars, vs 40% for another manufacturer that provides cars in multiple colors, then ford would be the better manufacturer.

    • MaggiWuerze
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      Most dictators haven’t gone by that term, preferring instead some other executive role like chairman, supreme leader, or president.

      Don’t forget Führer

    • @LarkinDePark
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      You got to choose between Hoe Biden and Donald Trump last time. Get back in your box.

      • TheSaneWriter
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        Yeah, our elections suck. They should be more open and should be ranked choice. Likewise, the Electoral College is complete bullshit. Even still, Xi is a dictator and China is not a democracy. Multiple things can be true.

          • ahornsirup
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            Nazi Germany had elections. North Korea has elections. As long as there’s no actual opposition on the ballot, just having elections means nothing.

        • @LarkinDePark
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          China is a democracy, the USA isn’t. Xi is the democratically elected leader of his country and enjoys massive popular support. Your past two presidents are hated by the peasantry. You have no understanding of the world because you live in what you think North Korea is like.

          Your press is censored, your internet is censored, you have a one party state with no democracy and people die from preventable diseases daily. Homelessness and poverty are rampant. Child slavery and child poverty have skyrocketed under the current regime. America is a shithole, circling the drain and your pathetic racist shit in this thread just exemplifies how little you have to come back with.

          • SeaJ
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            Xi is the democratically elected leader of his country

            How many people voted for him? How many votes did his opponent get?

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              No idea. I couldn’t even tell you that about my own country or the USA, you know that place that’s totally a democracy where they don’t count all the votes and keep the black people from voting with dirty tricks.

              • SeaJ
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                The general population does not vote for the presidency in China, the electors chosen by the CCP do. That is significantly less democratic than the US which is also not a very democratic country when it comes to the presidency.

                • @ghost_of_faso2
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                  no one tell this guy how bernie got the popular vote but didnt get to run

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                  Neither do americans get to vote for their president nor the germans for their chancellor.

  • Ignacio
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    Obviously he’s not a “dictator”, and that foreign minister should be sacked. Because Xi is a “supreme almighty emperor whose words are worth to be enforced or else…” A bit of background knowledge is never a bad thing.