Now, the words and figures “with the exception of articles 2-c, 4-c, 5-c, 12-c, 13-c, 14-c, 17-c, 21-c and 22-c” have been removed from the Regulation, i.e. everyone will be recognised as fit under the “controversial” articles:
- 2-c – clinically treated tuberculosis;
- 4-c – viral hepatitis with minor functional impairment;
- 5-c – asymptomatic HIV carrier;
- 12-c - slowly progressive and non-progressive with minor functional impairment and rare exacerbations of anaemia, blood clotting disorders, purpura, haemorrhagic conditions, other diseases of the blood and haematopoietic organs, and some disorders involving the immune mechanism;
- 13-c - diseases of the endocrine system with minor functional disorders;
- 14-c - mild, short-term, painful manifestations of mental disorders;
- 17-c - neurotic, stress-related and somatoform disorders with moderate or short-term manifestations, with an asthenic state;
- 21-c – slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system with minor functional disorders;
- 22-c – episodic and paroxysmal disorders, except for epilepsy, with minor impairment of organ and system functions.
It doesn’t feel like a great idea to conscript those with mental health issues heavily impacted by stress.
Could always be used in administrative roles
True. I always read conscription and think “sent to the frontlines”, but there’s a lot of logistics and support that goes into an army.
My dad got drafted during Vietnam, and landed himself a position doing some supply/logistics stuff and basically spent his whole time chilling in Kentucky doing warehouse and office stuff. Admittedly he also did his damnedest on every aptitude test, evaluation, etc. they gave him to make himself out to be a coward and play up any non-combat skills he had specifically trying to end up doing something like that.
There’s of course a lot of differences between 'Nam and Ukraine, but at the end of the day every army throughout history has relied on a whole bunch of people who weren’t on the front lines to make things work. You need a whole lot of mechanics, warehouse workers, pencil pushers, IT staff, cooks, medical staff, truck drivers, etc. and if you’re able to use people who wouldn’t be able to hack it physically/mentally/emotionally on the front lines to fill those roles, it’s kind of a no-brainer so that soldiers who are able to do it aren’t tied up behind the scenes when they’re needed.
Of course it absolutely sucks for anyone who gets conscripted.
Somewhat similar to what happened to my grandpa. Technically wasn’t drafted, he had buddy in the draft office gave him a heads up that’d it’d be a very good idea for him to enlist soon. He ended up as a supply officer in Okinawa and got to take my grandma with him. Good thing too (and largely why it happened), the man’s eyesight is/was awful. He would’ve almost certainly been a dead man had he ever lost his glasses in combat
It’s a terrible idea and it tells me that all the propaganda were getting about Ukraine clearly winning and barely losing anyone is bullshit. They must be real desperate if they’re conscription people with mental disorders.
Look at the list and stop talking out your ass. Wars are won due to logistics, lots of paperwork and so on. Granted, the situation could be better, but let’s not pretend Ukraine has its back against a wall.
They are still kicking Russia like nothing before.
Also, they are not just accepting any mental disorder, there are many disorders that may prevent someone to be in the front, but they don’t prevent one to carry supplies from A-B in the back country. Wars are not just won through fights on the front.
If they could read they’d be super shocked by who the Russians are conscripting.
Who are the Russians conscripting?
Both Wagner and the regular military have been conscripting criminals straight out of prison and sending them right into the meat grinder with little training and/or equipment.
as has Ukraine lol
No. Not as a deliberate tactic and not nearly to the same extent.
Wow… How do you think this works? Where are wars “won”? How is this not an act of desperation?
A wall is only as strong as its weakest section. This is indeed not great news.
My thoughts exactly. You put me on the front line and my general commander is getting a bullet. Not saying I’ll remember doing it but nobody dies except those that force me to kill.
Saying you don’t “remember” doing it is probably not going to help much in your court-martial when you’ve posted a pre-meditated plan to do it on an open social media platform beforehand.
Who tf cares lmfao.
You’ve been warned global military
/r/IAmVeryBadass
I would rather die than kill. If you tell me to kill I will kill you first to limit the amount of total death.
This is the ultimate utilitarian take on the ethics of the situation you dunce.
You say you’d rather die than kill, and then in the very next line you threaten to kill me for telling you something.
You need to read up on what being a “conscientious objector” is actually about, or whatever it is you’re going for here, because your philosophy is incoherent.
Believe it or not, this would completely cripple military power across the board. Overall, resulting in less death than the death of the white collar pencil pushers that command troops.
Sure you can be the bootlicker that shoots people for funsies, don’t come crying to me when you get drafted
Edit: where tf did I threaten you specifically?..
In other news, Ukraine has not held the passports of migrant workers and impressed them into the armed forces, unlike a certain other country.
Technically correct - they only initially refused to allow foreign students to leave the country, and beat up anyone who tried to cross the border.
Source:
Thanks for you ‘proof’:
“The Ukrainian government has launched an emergency hotline for Africans and Asians fleeing, according to the foreign minister. In a tweet, Dmytro Kuleba said the authorities were “working intensively” to ensure the safety and passage of African and Asian students.”
I don’t think Putin will pay you for this one…
Do you know how many Ukrainians actually have a valid passport?
Edit: rough estimate for issued passports
16,594,248 international passports issued since 2016 Population: 44,982,564 (2020), 36,744,634 (2023) ~37% to 45% => likely less than half of the population
https://opendatabot.ua/en/analytics/passports https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/#:~:text=The current population of Ukraine,latest United Nations data 1.
blood clotting disorders
you could not get me to go to WAR with a blood clotting disorder. Might as well just shoot me at the draft office and let me bleed out right there
There are roles for conscripts that don’t involve frontline exposure.
Are you really trying to justify this?
Yes they are lolol. Look at their history.
so citizens called to defend their country is worse than literal killers and rapists going into occupied territories the terroruzzzian mafia has been sending for a year now? ‘lolol’ the old men we see posted with their hands tied saying they have grandsons? ‘rofl’
‘tHrEe dAy sPeCiAl mIlItArY oPeRaTiOn’ right? fucken terroruzzzian clowns, dangerous clowns, but clowns none the less
so citizens called to defend their country is worse than
No one said this? What the fuck is wrong with you?
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well, good thing they can set their conscription rules, no need for your approval son.
edit. fucken terroruzzian shills, copeing hard lately on lemmy. what a bunch of muppets.
What are you talking about? Satin error medusan pills, copying jarred tales of jelly. Pack lunch you bucket.
jesus christ
they must be running out of manpower
nah it’s fine, they just clicked “scraping the barrel”, now they just have to do some meme encirclements
smh shoulda done order 66 when they had the chance
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Real Volkssturm hours
Totally the actions of a country that’s winning
Maybe they just want to get rid of them. The west seems to mind Nazis a lot less than losers.
Ukraine was invaded by a tyrant. The people have suffered for over a year, children have been slaughtered or lost limbs, civilians entombed in rubble, and the armed forces have lost tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands defending their homeland.
Now I’m not a violent man but I have to admit, in the face of all these poor people have suffered, reading your glib comment does make me feel like punching something.
Stop being violent towards inanimate objects and start trying to understand your indoctrination and programming. Ukraine was overthrown by the USA so they could start this war. Educate yourself.
“Orwellian” is a term that gets thrown around a lot these days so one hesitates to use it, but when a country invades another sovereign state and then turns round and claims they didn’t start the war it really does sound like something the ministry of truth would say. To be clear. America started the war in Iraq (incidentally I marched in the street in protest). Russia started the war in Ukraine.
But as I already informed, Ukraine was not a “sovereign state”, it was at that point a Nazi led puppet state of the USA. They hamd picked its government and when it was refused in parliament they ignored the result of the vote and put their guy in anyway. “Yats the guy, fuck the EU.”
That was the start of the war. The USA started it. This is historical fact that you’ll have to learn to accept.
To be clear. America started the war in Iraq
The unprovoked invasion of Iraq. Every notice how that was never what they called it? Why do you think that is?
We can debate questions of historical sovereignty all night … it will never end. But do you think the majority of Ukrainians would prefer to be part of Russia? If so you are either lying or you live on a different planet. Like the Poles, the Romanians, the Lithuanians, the Czechs, in fact anyone who has lived under the Soviet / Russian boot, Ukrainians for the most part detest and despise Russia (with good reason). The most ardent anti-Russians are the ones who used to be ruled by them.
But do you think the majority of Ukrainians would prefer to be part of Russia?
No of course not. Do you think the majority of the breakaway republics and Crimea want to be part of fascist Ukraine?
the Lithuanians, the Czechs, in fact anyone who has lived under the Soviet / Russian boot
This is a big tell that you’ve been programmed. People lived well in the USSR. You should educate yourself on this.
Ukrainians for the most part detest and despise Russia (with good reason).
This is a very recent development from America’s propagandising and funding of a Nazi extremism that’s taken over the country. The people have fallen for the propaganda, as you have.
Do you think people should have the right to self determination?
I don’t get why some think that the US or Ukraine started the war. They did not. Russia started it. Why would any country attack another country 28 times its size?
Why do you think Russia started it? The Obama government supported the Nazi led coup that overthrew Ukraine’s democracy. Then the war started because the ethnic minority saw what was coming for them.
Also, the US seemed very horny to sell overpriced gas to Europe and dump their dept on Ukraine and EU to fix their inflation. As a side effect they get to use more tax money to modernize their military stocks by moving additional taxmoney to their military industry.
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Tankie gonna tank
dronie gonna drone
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Background: On 30 August, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported that at a meeting of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, it had been decided that a comprehensive inspection be conducted of the validity of decisions made by military medical commissions since 24 February 2022. These are decisions on disability and unfitness for service that were or may be related to corruption violations. All cases where the decisions were unreasonable and illegal should be investigated by law enforcement agencies, the president said. In addition, Zelenskyy announced that the system of determining fitness for military service must be reassessed to make it easier for commanders to recruit soldiers for combat missions and to prevent the concept of limited fitness from being manipulated.
All these fucking morons in this post thinking all these people will go to the front are delusional but go ahead and tell us how this spells the end of ukr lmao
This is who they were sending to the front in April last year so
Now show the Russians. LoL.
