What the fuck? I swear that this is at least the second time now that I’ve seen a Polish antisocialist downplay German Fascism. Is their knowledge of their own country’s history really so bareboned that they can’t even name the atrocious policies that the Fascist colonizers regularly enforced?
I feel condescending for saying this, but I’m afraid that sooner or later I am going to have to make a thread overviewing the Third Reich’s atrocities against Poles. I thought that these were already common knowledge but now I guess not.
I thought that these were already common knowledge but now I guess not.
That’s Poland official propaganda tactic which is actually quite shrewd. They still maintain the knowledge of nazi crimes, but at the same time downplay them by comparing with Soviet Union every time, and while the comparisons are outright idiotic, ike 01.09 vs 17.09, Holocaust vs Katyn, destruction of Warsaw vs. “they did not helped”, they are constantly repeated for the last 34 years, to the point you cannot think “nazi bad” without “but communists equally bad”, and then they actually move the goalpost by saying things about “45 years of occupation” and shit about the 1944-53 civil war. And of course the volume of anticommunism in public space is many times higher that antinazism, and that antinazism only include specifically German nazis, their puppets like Finland or Hungary, not to mention modern nazis, are whitewashed with full speed ahead.
They know they cannot just erase the harted for nazis and replace it with hatred for communists with one stroke, and they cannot completely outright lie about what nazis did since it’s in schools and books, so they are doing it slowly. Though by now it’s pretty advanced, for example even the celebrations of the defense of Westerplatte from invading Germans in the 09.1939, important heroic moment in polish history, can be done without even mentioning the Germans once, but with long tirades on “USSR bad”.
And yes, i believe it’s an organized campaign being in motion for decades because it looks like that, even despite Poland is notorious for not being able to organize anything properly (they also fucked up with Ukraine somewhat by allowing and even promoting antibanderite publications).
No pressure, but that’d actually be pretty cool of you. 20th century Poland is quite a historical blind spot for me and I suspect for many others because it doesn’t get much attention besides the “Stalin gave Poland to Hitler” lib meme.
If not for the Polish comrades here I’d probably still believe some of that “both-sideism” on the war.
What the fuck? I swear that this is at least the second time now that I’ve seen a Polish antisocialist downplay German Fascism. Is their knowledge of their own country’s history really so bareboned that they can’t even name the atrocious policies that the Fascist colonizers regularly enforced?
I feel condescending for saying this, but I’m afraid that sooner or later I am going to have to make a thread overviewing the Third Reich’s atrocities against Poles. I thought that these were already common knowledge but now I guess not.
That’s Poland official propaganda tactic which is actually quite shrewd. They still maintain the knowledge of nazi crimes, but at the same time downplay them by comparing with Soviet Union every time, and while the comparisons are outright idiotic, ike 01.09 vs 17.09, Holocaust vs Katyn, destruction of Warsaw vs. “they did not helped”, they are constantly repeated for the last 34 years, to the point you cannot think “nazi bad” without “but communists equally bad”, and then they actually move the goalpost by saying things about “45 years of occupation” and shit about the 1944-53 civil war. And of course the volume of anticommunism in public space is many times higher that antinazism, and that antinazism only include specifically German nazis, their puppets like Finland or Hungary, not to mention modern nazis, are whitewashed with full speed ahead.
They know they cannot just erase the harted for nazis and replace it with hatred for communists with one stroke, and they cannot completely outright lie about what nazis did since it’s in schools and books, so they are doing it slowly. Though by now it’s pretty advanced, for example even the celebrations of the defense of Westerplatte from invading Germans in the 09.1939, important heroic moment in polish history, can be done without even mentioning the Germans once, but with long tirades on “USSR bad”.
And yes, i believe it’s an organized campaign being in motion for decades because it looks like that, even despite Poland is notorious for not being able to organize anything properly (they also fucked up with Ukraine somewhat by allowing and even promoting antibanderite publications).
I think they are doing something similar in Germany.
Wouldn’t be surprised.
Good explanation
No pressure, but that’d actually be pretty cool of you. 20th century Poland is quite a historical blind spot for me and I suspect for many others because it doesn’t get much attention besides the “Stalin gave Poland to Hitler” lib meme.
If not for the Polish comrades here I’d probably still believe some of that “both-sideism” on the war.
Only the second time?