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If true, cool, but I don’t think that is convincing to anyone that disagrees in the slightest.
You can talk about his accomplishments of tactically industrializing the agrarian country to an industrial power quickly to eliminate the nazi threat, which is more punchy than
“people talk shit about me now, but wait a few generations and they’ll say i was right”
I mean yea. But did you ever talk to an actual liberal irl? I once got called crazy (by multiple people in a group 😥) for saying that without Stalin Hitler would have won the war.
But look who agrees with you 😊
Much like capitalists don’t make goods, Stalin didn’t win a war. Great man theory is lib shit.
Sharp dialectics you picked up there, be careful to not cut yourself with it, no one said ww2 was just Stalin and Hitler engaging in a fistfight. But if it pleases you, here is a less offensive version: without [nameless non-great individual who would have done what a random peasant named Joseph did] Hitler would have won the war.
Is it confirmed that he actually said that?
It’s according to Molotov’s recollection. From Сто сорок бесед с Молотовым by Felix Chuev:
Stalin himself, I remember, said during the war: “I know that after my death, my grave will be piled with rubbish. But the winds of history will ruthlessly dispel it!
Just to get it right. Felix Chuev said that Molotov said that he remembers Stalin said that?
Is that enough to say with confidence that Stalin actually said it? (serious question, don’t mean to suggest Stalin did not say it; I hope so much that he said it, that I want to be as sure as possible 🙈)
Yep. Chuev conducted a series of lengthy interviews with Molotov over the period of 1969 - 1986 and he kept extensive notes about what Molotov attested to.
While I can’t seem to find an English language translation of 140 Conversations with Molotov, his other work, Molotov Remembers, is frequently cited as a primary source by historians.
Given that it’s testimony from something which was said many years prior to the interview I’d hazard a guess that Molotov was paraphrasing because the chances of it being an exact quote are vanishingly slim but such is the nature of historical work; often the eyewitness testimony is going to be somewhat hazy, especially long after the fact.
I personally would feel comfortable in saying that Stalin had actually said something to this effect, if not exactly word for word, to Molotov.
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Weak, weak bait.
For those not in the know, you can be against capitalism and still think that Stalin was an irredeemable removed. These ideas are not mutually exclusive.
You always know it’s gonna be a banger when it triggers the slur filter
TIL it’s not people actually commenting
*removed*literallyI wish, at least then there would be some redeemable quality to their comments
Mhm. Can’t see it. The man was admirable in every regard one might expect from a leader. Likeliest explanation is that you’re merely misinformed, bordering on ignorant, proving the post’s point.
Lecturing a person from a Finnish instance about how Stalin was “admirable in every regard” is a bold move.
Zoinks scoobs! You mean… the nazis that fought against the USSR in Finland… might be anti-communist? The Mystery Machine has another mystery to solve!
Fuck off finish Nazi scum. Stalin was a hero if you disagree because your grandparents told you how horrible he was it’s because they were Nazi collaborators.
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As a Brit, I’m interpreting this as some top-notch humour. I don’t know if that was the intention. That pesky Poe’s Law at work.
Support for the USSR here is genuine
Time to read Losurdo book on Stalin, seems like uou completely ate corn man secret speech.
