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This generation in Western Europe is totally against Russia. It is necessary to uproot them in their entirety.
Why do you think this happened? This guy has no idea.
When they admit their war crimes we should believe them.
this is great, posts like these draw out all the tankies who I can then add to my block list
Good idea.
Taiwan number one
1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre 15 Apr 1989 – 4 Jun 1989
Mainland Taiwan number 5
What are tankies?
misguided people who simp for dictators and war criminals just because they oppose the west
no downvote? Not sure they are here
They were here last night in a downvote brigade, so I’m sure they’ll find this thread eventually.
yeah it seems like I was a bit optimistic
People who’ve gone so far left they’ve come full circle and gone fascist and admire authoritarian communist regimes like China and the USSR. Like flat earthers I thought they were a made up joke until I started seeing a while bunch of unironic “Stalin did nothing wrong” type commentary.
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Lemmygrad ewww. Go stink somewhere else.
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Watch me supporting human rights in the global south by reads notes arming religious fanatics who want to turn women into cattle
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Amusingly, I see responses to this that I can’t see.
The block function is beautiful.
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No different then when some SS officers admitted to what they did to the “undesirables” and that they deserved it, and would do it again.
At least the Nazis were smart enough to figure out why everyone hated them.
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Russia is a diseased country that’s trying to spread its rot. Why they aren’t dealt with more sternly is curious to me
They have nukes
They maybe have nukes
They literally can’t fuel their own tanks so whether or not their nukes are more than just expensive paperweights is very much up for discussion
It only takes one successful nuke to produce a world of regret, vastly worse than anything experienced to date.
Is that really a risk worth taking?
Gonna be honest dude I don’t see anyone in the DoD listening to my hot takes or taking me very seriously.
And foreign policies
Basically, there’s no direct laws to prosecute other countries. There’s only sanctions. And since we can’t pull them in front of the Hague, we are using sanctions. And with “we” I mean all of the world except for a few rogue nations like Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China, India, and a few more iirc.
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It’s sad to witness the animosity towards Russia. The responsibility lies with Putin and those who actively support him - they seized power and manipulated the populace, and commit war crimes. Not all Russians do that. Despite his suppression of independent media and the severe penalties, including up to 15 years of imprisonment, for engaging in not only “anti-war” but even “pro-peace” protests, a significant number of people continue to oppose the war.
Putin’s narrative revolves around the notion that “in the West, they harbor hatred towards us, attempting to dismantle us.” By uttering “fuck Russia,” unwittingly or not, you’re just endorsing Putin and his propaganda. Please don’t do that. Instead, say “fuck Putin”.
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True, but propagandists don’t care. They pick facts that support their view and discard ones that oppose it. So, for everyone who says “FUCK RUSSIA,” they answer with “SEE, SEE, WE ARE RIGHT, WE SHOULD RESIST AND FIGHT BACK.” They will just pull your words out of context.
So, if you are a responsible citizen, I ask you not to spread hatred towards our country, but to support it on the way to sanity, normality, and democracy. Please spread hatred towards propagandists, war criminals, and usurpers instead.
They don’t need context, if people weren’t saying fuck Russia they would just make shit up. Fuck off and stop trying to protect their sad wittle feewings
I’m not protecting someone’s feelings, at least not intentionally. I’m just trying to stop hatred towards people based on their nationality. Care to take a guess who historically propagated such nationalistic hatred?
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I hadn’t thought about it like that, but I think you’ve got a point. When horrible people are leading a country, both horrible people and people that maybe don’t know any better will come out of the woodwork to support them and carry out their demands. That’s no reason to condemn an entire country, but every reason to condemn that leader. Blanket statements can very rarely be applied to a large group of people.
FUCK PUTIN.
I genuinely appreciate your willingness to engage in a thoughtful conversation and consider different perspectives. It’s refreshing to see open-mindedness in discussions like these. Your message truly made my day, and I’m grateful for your understanding. Thank you! ❤️
Russian here. Just to clarify, most of us won’t get upset if someone says “Fuck Russia”, as we understand that you mean “Fuck the Russian state” - lots of us been saying the same for a long time, as, believe it or not, living in an authoritarian state ain’t fun.
The line gets crossed when people say “Fuck Russians”, call for oppressive measure against Russian nationals, celebrate their deaths or even outright attack them. That’s fucked up.
Overall, I agree with your points.
Unfortunately though, Putin himself isn’t raping Ukrainian women, blowing up kids, destroying crops, etc. That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things. As they showed in Nuremberg, following orders is not an excuse.
This is all done by soldiers, who are out there in the battlefield. Most of them don’t have no phones nor internet. The only ones who would ever hear such message are not the ones involved in it. None of my friends raped Ukrainian women, nobody in my family blew kids up, I personally didn’t destroy any crops, why accuse all of us of something we didn’t do? Words like that are just pushing away people who don’t believe Putin’s lies.
As I said…
That’s on the Russians who are in Ukraine doing these things.
Are your friends in Ukraine doing these things? I said there are Russians doing these things, not Putin. Other innocent Russians of course should not be blamed for the actions of these people, but innocent Russians should stop blaming mean people on the internet and instead call out the citizens who are making Russians look bad through committing war crimes.
It would be nice if it was just Putin. And it’s true that lots of Russians are opposed to the war. It’s even probably true that lots of them are as apolitical as they can be, just doing whatever they have to do to survive day by day.
But there are lots of Russians who support him. Even outside of Russia. There is, in fact, a large portion of the population that approves of him, despite the invasion into Ukraine. A lot of it is retired people, of course, but also shit-tons of people who listen mainly to Russian news sources, and therefore believe Putin’s propaganda.
Even if Putin were assassinated the next day, his replacement wouldn’t be much better. Hopefully they’d pull out of Ukraine, but they would likely be just as chauvinist and nationalist as Putin. Russia’s political spectrum is, unfortunately, very close to “50 shades of nationalism”, to the point where even Navalny had to curry favor with them to build up sufficient support. And nationalists (and fascists) tend to do stupid shit like invading neighboring countries.
I would agree that “fuck Russians” is going a step too far. But if Russia’s international reputation is shit right now, it’s no one’s fault but Putin’s, and it is unfortunately well-deserved. And, whether we like it or not, when you say “I’m from [country]”, that country’s reputation will affect how people see you. So if individual Russians around the world are facing stigma, that’s really unfortunate, but it’s the inevitable outcome of shit like this. It’s nothing new — after WWII, Germans had to deal with the exact same shit.
My intention was not to upset you, but rather to offer a perspective that looks beyond a blanket condemnation of a whole country. I believe in addressing issues by holding those in power accountable for their actions while recognizing that not all individuals within a nation support or approve those actions.
If it’s not Russia, it’s Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. etc. etc.
The only thing our people love more than war is being told they’re right when their preferred nightly news program gives them excuses for why our country is spending all of our money on war.
Huh, Where are all the hexbear tankies?
For me? Blocked.
Stalin shipped my relatives to the gulag for being elected representatives in Estonia. Fuck hexbear and fuck tankies.
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Lol, so is lemmygrad just full of trolls now? Guess it was inevitable.
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Guess away!
I reckon any group of edgy teenagers online could be described as “trolls.”
Maybe. “Edgy” to me implies people trying to emotionally manipulate others into reactions by lambasting or supporting certain viewpoints. But, and this may just be a definitions thing, I don’t think that implies that people who are being edgy don’t believe what they are purporting. Trolls I think though are manipulating completely regardless of their actual views. So maybe trolls are a subset of people who are being edgy.
Spotted the lemmygrad user
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Masturbating to the thought of killing innocent civilians and POW’s. You know… Regular conservative shit.
Regular communist shit.
FIFY.
Conservatives are fascist. Not communist.
There’s plenty of conservative communits if you leave the US.
I think Lemmy.world may have defederated from them. I don’t know though.
They did, it is there under blocked instances
What happened to lemmygrad?
This instance blocks tankies
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Sometimes I do think Patton wasn’t an egotistical nutter after all.
1917 the US and other Allies tried to intervene in the Russian Civil War on the side of the White Army.
Churchill argued at length that Russia had to be next after Germany fell. He probably was onto something there.
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Also, the popularity of the Communist Parties in Europe at the time would probably have made such a confrontation quite awkward.
And here’s the defense of Nazis
Can we seriously defed from lemmy.world now, because this is seriously disgusting
I do not see any defense of Nazis in GP’s post. I don’t understand what you are talking about.
Life isn’t so binary and simplistic.
Get used to differing views to your own. You might learn something.
Post about how allying with one evil to destroy another evil when you’re also a bit evil, leaves some evil.
*shocked pikachu* *points finger* yOu’rE sUPpoRtINg eViL
How the fuck is that a defence of Nazis, you redundant muffin?
Redundant muffin is a great insult, thanks for adding it to my vocabulary.
This comment feels so reactionary and so off the mark based on the op comment that I’m not certain this isn’t a bait post… Which I’ve just been hooked by… I should stop talking now.
read again, the comment dunks on the west, Russia and the nazis…
It seems like something that Putin would want.
Yet people still argue russians aren’t barbarian terrorists.
You should be wary of labelling an entire group by the actions of a few.
Do the war crimes committed in Abu Ghrabi make all Americans barbarian terrorists?
While it’s true that it’s not the entirety of the Russian population, there’s still the oligarchs, mercenaries, media outlets, the entire government body, and a fuck ton of the military, all more than happy to fuck over their ex-comrades as soon as they get the green light. I’m pretty sure that’s who we mean when we generalize “Russians”.
As a Latin American, this applies to Americans as well. Much love to a decent part (if not most) of the people there, but FUCK the US for fucking us all over with banana republics, neoliberalism, and red scare shenanigans, only for them to then have the galls to turn out to be xenophobic, warmongering, orangeman-loving fundamentalist pieces of shit.
Anyway, Russia, right. Fuck Putin and his greasy ball of oligarchs.
And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.
The point I’m making is that most people want a quiet and happy life. I know that dehumanising the enemy is a natural part of war, but try to be mindful of that and leave civilians out of it.
And the Americans used to be on the side of the Taliban when it suited them in a proxy war with Russia.
The Mujahideen of the 80s weren’t the Taliban. The Mujahideen-led government of the early 90s was quite explicitly attacked and overthrown by the Taliban, and reformed into the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which still existed by the time of our intervention in Afghanistan in 2001.
Abu Ghraib perpetrators went to prison, while this asshole went on TV.
Case in point, you’re making the assumption that all Russians support the killing of these POWs.
Huh, no I’m not? I’m saying the army’s and the media’s reaction to war crimes is better in the west than in Russia. Russian society seems pretty fucked up, but I know that most of individual Russians don’t have a say in it.
russia is a terrorists state. It’s up to russians to change this fact. Until they do, all of them are assisting terrorism.
What a silly response. Americans can’t get their leaders to allow them a minimum living wage, yet this guy wants Russians to topple a terrorist state. Stop with the group labeling. Not everyone has the knowledge / courage / ability / nothing-to-lose attitude that it takes to fight organized government mafia that’s been throwing opponents out of the Kremlin windows without restraint. Let’s give the Russian people the benefit of doubt regarding their intentions, and not call them all terrorists at least.
russians are attempting a genocide upon Ukraine. They are castrating/beheading captured soldiers, murdering/kidnapping/brainwashing Ukrainian children. Until they prove otherwise, russia is a terrorist state and russians are terrorists.
Uff… as much as I think Ukraine is something of a corrupt western puppet, Russia is still, well, Russia. Not a great, humanitarian society.
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In what regard?
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Yeah probably. Doesn’t make it ok though.
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So now we’re posting literal Nazi websites?
What? care to elucidate us on this?
According to Russia, anyone critical or in opposition to Russia is a Nazi.
Sounds kinda like a fascist take on foreign policy, but really is there any actual info about this source being some sort of spawn of evil?
There is not. It‘s simply a strongly pro-Ukrainian website. Russian official propaganda and our tankies call everything that is critical of Russia‘s aggression „Nazism“ or „Fascism“. It is projection in its finest form, and borderline Orwellian.
The two words have lost all meaning in Russian propaganda and are simply used as a placeholder for „enemy“. They don’t seem to realize how absurd that makes them sound.
Well yeah, that is why I called the practice fascist. But I really want them to explain in great detail, it is a great joy to watch the gymnastics.
The only gymnastics here are happening in your head.
Kinda lame gymnastics then, I am still really interested in how this source is associated with the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
That’s just you burying your head in the sand and not wanting to listen to the truth
Please educate us on this then. All I see so far is basic statements but not even the hint of a theory let alone evidence.
Great point!
https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/10/ukraine-embassy-israel-arming-nazis-max-blumenthal/
Ukraine joined the Nazi party as did Finland, so it’s no surprise they’re going back to their old habits
Russia allied with the Nazis to invade Poland. No surprise that Russia is going back to their old habits.
The Nazis invaded first and Russia lost many brave soldiers fighting against Nazi trash, looks like you’re a literal Nazi apologist
You should read a book on the conflict. Here is one but it is not in russian so not sure if you will like it.
Russia was allied with the Nazis to invade a country… Looks like you’re a literal Nazi apologist.
“Finland then turned to Nazi Germany for military aid. As the German offensive against the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) approached, the cooperation between the two countries intensified. German troops arrived in Finland and took up positions, mostly in Lapland, from where they would invade the Soviet Union.”
Nice try Nazi
Sure thing, tankie. If calling out the USSR makes me a Nazi then dress me in jackpots and Hugo Boss clothes I guess, despite being first generation Chinese in the US.
So is Finland today a Nazi nation? Does this make France a Nazi nation (well half of it)?
I thought according to russia, Ukraine was never a real nation? Does this mean they are, and are somehow also part of a third reich that never ended?
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What book would you suggest? Also what is a Borderland? Is borderland an invention of convenience or does it have meaning outside the russian federation? Do you think the Soviet Union still exists? Does russia have any claim on Soviet block members? If so why?
To answer your question: no, we don’t
Thanks for the chuckle