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    I still wear a mask when going out to stores because I’m immunocompromised due to a kidney transplant. It’s ultimately up to me to protect myself from others but what bothers me most lately are people who either laugh or think I’m stupid for still wearing a mask. Some even go as far as to call me out and shame me for it. Can people just mind their own business? I’m not trying to get them to wear a mask so why are they so fixated on me taking mine off?

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      I still wear a mask because I stand in soldiartiy with folks like you.

      Not only do I want to prevent the spread of the disease that could kill immune compromised folks like yourself, but it also helps normalize mask wearing.

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      Genuinely, I think it’s probably because they feel a little guilty when they see you wearing one, and that’s uncomfortable for people, so they respond by taking it out on you.

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        A while lot of liberalism and liberal brainworms involves feeling uncomfortable about someone else caring too much in a way that isn’t convenient for treat consumption.

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      Same. I never stopped wearing a mask because I’m immunocompromised from my lung transplant. People call me names all the time. Even here on Lemmy.

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      It’s real bad. Fun fact: I am very big, and I’ve worn straight up gas masks at some points during the pandemic, and no one has ever said anything to me. Plague rats are real brave as long as they’re pretty confidant there won’t be consequences. It’s gross.

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        Yes, I wouldn’t describe my as very big but I’m not small and the number of people who look like they’re going to say something and then reconsider it when they take a second look at me… cowards. These are people used to bullying those they can bully without consequence.

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      Honestly, I am not immunocompromised and I still wear a mask because I haven’t gotten sick since the pandemic started, and it even helps my sinus’ when I’m cleaning the house. I’ve never been one to worry about what someone thinks of me, so I’m sorry if this comes off as tone deaf, but fuck ‘em. Why should you care about what they think about you? When was the last time you thought about that person who was doing something you thought was strange in the local mart? I will assume not until I just made you think about them. Live your life as safely as you want. For every moron out there trying to make fun of you (they can try, but ultimately they themselves just look foolish and stupid) there are more like me and the others who wear masks alongside you. Stay safe and have a good rest of your day!

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        it even helps my sinus’ when I’m cleaning the house.

        One of the best parts about having a bunch of cloth masks from early in the pandemic is they’re great for cleaning. I wear one when I clean my cats’ litterboxes every day.

        I wear N95s outside the house, but cloth masks have still proven useful.

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      This is the same issue the LGBT community suffers from, as well as people of color, people with accents, etc. People always find ways to make themselves feel superior to others by pointing out something different. You choosing to wear a mask just makes those kinds of people laugh because they either 1. Feel better than you for not wearing masks or 2. They are uneducated/ignorant and follow others’ opinions without question.

      I suppose the only way to turn it back around on them would be to try scaring them by saying you have something contagious like strep throat, or worse, so they’ll shut up and leave you alone. Otherwise my only other advice would be to just do your best to not engage with these types of people.

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      I work in the med/surg floor of a busy hospital, even though management has taken down mask requirements for patients and staff, I still keep mine on when I go into patients room. I’m not immunocomprised, I just don’t trust other people to tell me or the admitting staff the truth of their problems.

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      I honestly think it’s because you’re physically reminding them that Covid still exists and it makes them deeply uncomfortable. My wife and I wear one for similar reasons and she’s been accosted a few times where as I haven’t. It’s disgusting behaviour.

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      If someone mentions the mask, just take it off and say “ oh thanks, since I was diagnosed with Covid they told me to keep my mask on. It’s nice to be around real Americans who don’t care.”

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        Alternatively: “I’m hiding my face from the HillarySorosObama facial recognition cameras, if YOU want Joe Biden knowing how many zits you have that’s on you”

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      I really hoped that the mask stigma would change, but it’s sad to see it go this way. I might just start wearing a mask again to do my part to normalize it.

      If people are sick, they should feel like it’s the right thing to do to wear a mask. It needs to be a normal thing and people that make fun of it are pieces of shit .

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      Someone called me a libtard under his breath, but loudly enough to make sure I heard…in a CANCER center, where many of us were having our immune systems weakened by chemo.

      You can’t fix stupid so I don’t even try. I’ve been in remission for almost two years, I’m healthy and he’s out there sucking in viruses. We both have ticking clocks, but mine is ticking much more slowly than his is.

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      No one should shame anyone for wearing a mask. However no one should shame anyone for not wearing a mask.

      I don’t begrudge anyone for wearing a mask in solidarity or to do what they think they can to save lives, but I’m on the side of feeling like I’m taking a personal bag to the store, or recycling plastic bottles like it’s actually doing something. I personally don’t like wearing a mask, and I feel like in most cases it’s just theater to do so.

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    I want to share my experience as a disabled person, because I think it’s very easy to simply not notice our non-existance:

    I don’t exist anymore. I’m a hermit. It’s been years since I’ve done anything in public. I go to the rheumatologist, I go to a lab to get blood tests, and once a year I get an x-ray to make sure I don’t have TB. I don’t do anything else. There’s about a two week period where being outside isn’t some unbearably high or low temperature that exacerbates my condition.

    Please care about covid. Just, please. Do it for people like me if that helps you, but mostly do it for yourself. This virus can make you like me and it’s miserable (I was sick before Covid, but Covid is known to trigger autoimmune conditions which are the primary cause of my suffering).

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      Covid is known to trigger autoimmune conditions

      *waves* Hi, I’m new here. Recent owner of (currently) 12 different autoimmune markers. 😭

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        I’m so sorry, it’s not a good time. I hope you find treatment that offers some level of relief.

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          Scariest part is the discovery and uncertainty of it all. "oh well if it’s scleroderma, you’re dead in 10 years. If it’s just scleroderma Ana, maybe it’s lupus. It could also be this weird ass thing that less than 1000 people in the world have. Well, I mean you have the marker, but it could also be lupus. Maybe MS. Are you still having dysphagia and have you choked on food lately? "

          Excuse me while I gently sway back and forth in the corner over here.

          And don’t get me wrong, I’m not a antivax person, like at all, I have 5 rona shots now. But if someone tries to suggest with 100% absolute certainty that either covid itself or the toll the vaccine took on me didn’t unlock an underlying autoimmune disorder, I’ll kick em. I’m not saying that the vaccine gave me an autoimmune issue. I’m saying it likely existed prior but was the catalyst.

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            I’m not in quite as bad shape but I also reacted badly to the vaccine. I get awful migraines after every shot/covid exposure lasting months and it’s become permanent since the last one. I quite literally have not had a single day free from migraines in 6 months and I’m completely intractable to every medication we’ve tried. like they’re talking about burning out various nerves in my face and neck to try and prevent them but it feels hopeless. I no longer get to have a social life and I’m struggling to keep a wfh job - I’m effectively bedridden all the time because of the side effects of migraines (dizziness, vertigo, muscle weakness, primarily), and I’ve been getting seizures for the past year.

            I wish people would just do the bare minimum to protect people like us but I’ve mostly given up. just trying to get used to my new, extremely small world.

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              you mentioned burning nerves in your face but have you looked into botox for migraines? they inject in the back of your neck. Or maybe doctors already suggested this for you? I understand they only use it for very severe migraines.

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            The uncertainty is awful. It took me ten years to get diagnosed with anything. I had so many doctors that thought I was just seeking pain pills. I had to beg a primary care physician to refer me to a rheumatologist. The rheumatologist guessed what I had within 5 minutes. A few blood tests, X-rays, and an MRI later and I had a diagnosis. Ten years and then someone guesses it in 5 minutes. Autoimmune diseases are weird like that.

            I’m also incredibly pro-vax, but those things knock me on my ass for days. Seems pretty common for people with autoimmune diseases.

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            My shit started about two months after having Covid. Longgg before I got vaccinated. I think some people think it’s the vaccine because problems don’t tend to start right away when you have covid. It takes a while.

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              I never tested positive for covid. I was sick once, but repeatedly tested negative across multiple brands of at home kits. My wife was sick a couple of weeks afterwards, and tested positive at the first sniffle.

              🤷🏼‍♂️

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      100% with you. Haven’t taken my mask off in public in years, and making regular attempts to goad my friends in to putting theirs back on.

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      Since the beginning of the pandemic, my biggest fear hasn’t been to catch the virus, but to spread it, especially to my immunocompromised relatives. You’d have to see when I tell that to people; they look at me weirder than if I answered “yes” to their mocking “afraid of COVID?” 🙃

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        Thanks for looking out for us. I wish more people looked at it the way you do. It’s been really weird seeing headlines since 2022 that excitedly proclaim “hey its only old people and disabled people dying now!”

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        If more people thought like you I could have a life again. I’m severely immunocompromised and COVID almost killed me when I caught it a year ago

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      I’m so sorry for you, man. I had to take care of my parents when covid started (they’re all fine now) and couldn’t stand the mouth breathers thinking only they and themselves mattered.

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      Hi there - I am also immunocompromised and have 2 exciting autoimmune diseases. I work in an office every day (actually a lab, but regardless).

      Your behaviour is not normal, and you should seek therapy so you can enjoy your life!

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    The lesson I’m learning is that we should have worn masks during “flu season” all along. In crowded and poorly ventilated spaces at least. It’s a cheap and easy measure and I don’t know what the BFD is with masks.

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    Our track record dealing with covid shows us that our approach was largely unsuccessful. Masking must be enforced, not suggested. This is the only effective solution.

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    it’s interesting to see how common it is for people in NYC to still wear them sometimes, especially when on the subway (the air is shitty, so it makes sense).

    I doubt it will be much of a problem here, except for those who always refused. yeah, it sucks, but it’s a lot better than getting sick— or dying.

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    There was a moment in my life where I was optimistic about masks. I pictured a cyberpunk future we didn’t get sick as much and had a cool new fashion accessory we could have fun with. It is wild how capitlaism couldn’t even resist the power of covid

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      Covid has taught me that we will not do enough, then complain that we did too much. I am not optimistic about things if this new strain is as bad as the first ones.

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        If a zombie virus ever legitimately happened, too many people would purposely get bitten to “prove them wrong”.

        I want to be optimistic and all, but too many people bought too much toilet paper for a goddamn respiratory virus that it isn’t even funny.

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      Same here. I was hopeful that covid would get people to at least be more conscious about not going places when sick, wearing masks when they are not feeling well, etc. But where I am at, people go to work, church, recreational activities, etc. with the flu and covid, even with positive test results knowing that they are contagious. I don’t understand it and it hasn’t gotten better.

      As far as cyberpunk… I still want a full face respirator with a clear face shield (so people can see your lips when you talk), an integrated HUD (for navigation, air quality monitoring, and browsing lemmy), and some LEDs for night time illumination (and aesthetics)

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      Seriously? I found masks uncomfortable and annoying, I would hate the idea of it being the new norm for the rest of our lives.

      I live in a climate which gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I was often getting hot under the mask or fogging up my glasses so bad I couldn’t see where I was going.

      I would honestly rather just get the latest vaccine and risk getting a little sick by not wearing a mask than going through that whole mask thing again

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        The material conditions dictate that it’s the norm for the rest of our lives, unfortunately.

        We’re ignoring a grinding sound in our car right now.

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        It is hot here but it doesn’t get very humid. So maybe it is easier. It could get uncomfortable at time but I still liked it. It did take a few tries to get masks that worked for my glasses, this is also true.

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          It doesn’t get humid where I am either, I personally never found a mask I was really happy with, then I just got fed up with it and only wore it when I didn’t have a choice.

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            I dunno. Maybe I am just weird but I like wearing work gloves and touching stuff I know wouldn’t be good to touch bear handed. I always kinda get that same feeling from wearing a mask.

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        I agree with you, at the same time it would be great if our air output would be viewed as “unclean” with masks being the worst fix for that if no better ventilation systems are available. We need to stop recirculating somebody elses waste air in indoor environments to make airborn diseases less common.

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        The 3M Aura and Vflex both breathe easily as heck. I’ve worn them on 40 degree days and I felt fine. They don’t block air like surgical masks.

        Good luck getting a new booster in most Western countries.

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      You envisioned some truly dystopian shit when it comes to a “cool new fashion accessory.” What’s cool about covering a face? That’s fucking morbid.

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    This post made me realize how completely ignorant to covid I’ve become lately… I had to check the date to see if it was current or years old.

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    Unless the strain is killing a sizable amount of people getting it it’ll be hard to get people to wear masks en masse again.

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      Even if it kills (which it likely will), our track record shows that didn’t care enough about that, and in a decreasing manner. So it’ll only be worse.

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        Pretty sure every virus has killed people, from the cold, to flu, and of course covid. It feels like now the death rate for the latest variants of covid are pretty comparable to the flu, the virus has lost a lot of its killing power over time.

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          Pretty sure every virus has killed people, from the cold, to flu, and of course covid.

          False equivalency intensifies

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            What is false about that statement? Viruses kill, that’s not false at all. Just because covid has killed at higher rates doesn’t change my statement.

            The point is that a virus being deadly is just a fact of all viruses.

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              What is false about that statement? Viruses kill, that’s not false at all. Just because covid has killed at higher rates doesn’t change my statement.

              You’re the living embodiment of this emoji morshupls

              The point is that a virus being deadly is just a fact of all viruses.

              That is a false equivalency, emphasis equivalency. Spare us your liberal sophistry.

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                I think you need to look up the definition of false equivalency, it is not an apple to orange kind of thing to say all viruses can kill. I’m not denying some kill more than others, but they all kill. If you can’t understand this fact, I don’t know what to tell you.

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                  I think you need to look up the definition of false equivalency

                  You’re stating that all viruses kill (which may have some holes in it already) therefore all viruses are technically the same, which ignores the differences in damage they do to people.

                  If you can’t understand this fact, I don’t know what to tell you.

                  If you had any actual point to make with your pedantic bullshit, I didn’t see it. You’re just textually masturbating as far as I can tell.

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          Death rates aren’t a feeling. I want some hard numbers.

          I feel like we just don’t care if we live or die anymore.

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            Fun fact: the CDC readjusted what the ‘normal’ rate of deaths is to include the years of the pandemic so now it’s harder than ever to find hard numbers because “excess deaths” was one of the last ways to get any information at all!

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              Plus a world wide fast aging population would increase the death background number even if nothing else happens.

              Anything that doesn’t make an observable, statistically significant difference, has no cause to further impose restriction on how people live their lives

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                Plus a world wide fast aging population would increase the death background number even if nothing else happens.

                Sharp edges don’t happen from demographic trends. This is pure rationalization.

                Further than what?? What restrictions??

                And what are you implying? Covid has no observable affect on public health? Tell that to the millions of people still getting disabled every year.

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            I know I’ve read reports about the latest variants being much less deadly. I did see one study recently which for patients presenting to hospital covid was a few percentage points more likely to result in death compared to hospitalized flu patients. There were a lot more covid patients though.

            Found it:

            death rates among people hospitalized for COVID-19 were 17% to 21% in 2020 vs 6% in this study, while death rates for those hospitalized for influenza were 3.8% in 2020 vs 3.7% in this study

            https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749

            So there is some data backing up the feelings I’ve gotten from everything I’ve been hearing and seeing.

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                I mean, that’s one way to look at it. I looked at it as only a couple percent higher death rate than the flu. Either way, a little less than 2x is way better than like 5x worse.

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                  Obviously it’s better than before, but it’s also worth keeping in mind these deaths are in addition to the flu.

                  Also, there are good and bad flu seasons. I see no reason for COVID to not be the same.

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              I’m not sure how severe an effect this would have on the numbers, but the death rate would non-negligibly go down after millions of the most vulnerable people died in the first wave. As well, the newer variants get more contagious and bypass immune responses more easily, and we’re taking way fewer precautions as a society. so 6% is a lower percent but still an incredibly high number

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                I saw it as an evolutionary benefit to be less deadly. The way I’m seeing this, the virus’s purpose in life is to spread, so a higher infection and contagious rate with less death rate is ideal from an evolution standpoint.

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                  Ideal for it, not ideal for anyone who enjoys the full function of their mind and circulatory system.

                  The mind thing isn’t a dig at you btw, it’s a reference to the brain fog

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              There’s one crucial thing you overlooked in this: in 2020, most people hadn’t been infected, and hadn’t gotten the vaccine (because there was no vaccine until December,and even then it was in extremely short supply). Now, most people have some sort of immunity, be it from vaccine or from a prior infection. That definitely skews the hospitalization numbers downward. You can’t compare then and now, unfortunately, since there’s no real community that hasn’t been vaccinated and hasn’t caught it - and so you can’t compare their numbers.

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                That’s fair, but I think you can still compare it to the flu, which is not that far off from covid percentage wise. At this point both the flu and covid should be at an equal level of people having vaccines and natural antibodies, right? Even if you go with covid being about twice as deadly as the flu, twice as deadly as almost nothing is still almost nothing.

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                  Hundreds of thousands of Americans will die this year from COVID. Sure, almost nothing. Just a 9/11 every two weeks or so.

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          It’s important to note that every state I’m aware of has long ended their testing and reporting, literally doing the Trump thing. So we actually have no idea what the numbers are.

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            The numbers I’ve seen are from hospitalized patients, which should still be tracked, and tracked in a similar way to the flu. It doesn’t give us the full story for sure, but it gives us something to compare.

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          I’ve you’ve been vaxxed, or had a previous infection, or get some paxlovid… yes. If not, no, not really any better. It hasn’t gotten weaker.

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      From a fellow trans person: I know you mean well, but shame/ridicule is the least effective agent of change. This kind of attitude I hear not just from you but other leftist queer friends just straight up leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths and does nothing to convince folks of your cause, no matter how good your intentions are. To quote a Tshirt I once saw: Kindness is more punk rock than a middle finger.

      Collective care and justice should be rooted in compassion, not denigration and superiority complexes.

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        superiority complexes.

        TIL needing to mask for health reasons is a superiority complex.

        I’m not going to address any of the rest of your comment except to say, stop tone policing a shitpost. The point was to vent about a genuine frustration, not to convince anyone.

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          Sorry, but somewhere along the way in leftist circles, “don’t tone police me” became synonymous with “I’m allowed to be as shitty as I want to other people because of my trauma” and that’s the behavior I can’t get down with. Trauma is an explanation, not an excuse.

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        yeah we are pretty pro-bullying people who are doing shitty things over on hexbear, this isn’t going to land

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            we are of the same mind on this. frankly, i don’t care in the slightest about the feelings of people who won’t put any effort into protecting the lives of others.

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            i get you, my issue is that we’re beyond the event horizon, you know? these people have had the explanations. they don’t care, and their not caring kills innocent people. as far as i’m concerned, it’s open season on shitheads.

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        To quote a Tshirt I once saw: Kindness is more punk rock than a middle finger.

        Wow. Everything you said before this swayed me but this is such an awesome statement that I had to say thanks for expanding my vernacular.