Trump has been charged by the Department of Justice with the following four counts:
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A conspiracy to defraud the United States “by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election,” according to the special counsel’s office.
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A conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified.
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A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted.
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Obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote.
In criminally charging former president Donald Trump for his efforts to reverse his 2020 election loss, federal prosecutors allege that Trump enlisted six co-conspirators to “assist him in his criminal efforts to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power.”
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Rudy Giuliani
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John Eastman
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Sidney Powell
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Jeffrey Clark
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Kenneth Chesebro
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Unknown political consultant
Updated 8/3/2023 by Jordan Lund
Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
(Lawyers have until 8/10 to submit requested trial dates, which will be announced on 8/28)
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries were impaneled on 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing
New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
The original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation, where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again, resulting in a demand for $10 million, is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a criminal one.
Sources:
Trumps 3rd Indictment - Conspiring to Defraud the United States - 1 August 2023
NBC News: Grand jury charges Trump in 2020 election probe: Highlights
Vox: Trump was just indicted for trying to steal the 2020 election
CNN: August 1, 2023 Trump indicted in special counsel’s 2020 election interference probe
Washington Post: Here are the Trump co-conspirators described in the DOJ indictment
Reason: Trump Indicted for Attempting To Overturn 2020 Presidential Election
FiveThirtyEight: All Of Trump’s Indictments Could Seriously Bog Down His Campaign
Trump’s Arraignment - 3 August 2023
AP: Trump is due to face a judge in DC over charges he tried to overturn the 2020 presidential election
CBS News: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges in special counsel probe
Chicago Tribune: Trump pleads not guilty to federal charges that he tried to overturn the 2020 election
The Independent: Trump appears to stumble over his name and age at arraignment
Official Documentation
This makes 79 felony charges so far
Hush Money case for Stormy Daniel’s, a former Playboy model, and a 3rd woman
- 34 felony counts - Falsifying business records in the first degree
Classified Documents Case
- 32 felony counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act
- 6 felony counts of obstruction-related crimes
- 2 felony counts of false statements to the FBI
- 1 felony count attempted destruction of evidence
Attempted Coup (January 6th)
- 1 count conspiracy to defraud the United States “by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election”
- 1 count conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding
- 1 count conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted
- 1 count obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote
Georgia Election Interference
- Greater than 0 but TBD
Thank you for listing out all of Trump’s charges from the indictments.
Here is a refresher about the recent indictment and charges related to Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the January 6th insurrection.
Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts[1](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/us/elections/trump-campaign-lawsuits.html) including the Supreme Court.[2](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55283024) Then he tried to pressure state officials.[3](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/01/03/trump-pressured-georgia-election-official-call-washington-post-report-says/4119948001/) He tried to pressure Pence.[4](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/trump-pressures-pence-election-results-455069)
So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? Trump turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;
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We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
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Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
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We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
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We will fight like hell.
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You have to get your people to fight.
Trump primed them for weeks.
State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.[5](https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/12/01/940961602/someones-going-to-get-killed-ga-official-blasts-gop-silence-on-election-threats) Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.[6](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/12/13/black-churches-vandalized-four-stabbed-dozens-arrested-at-pro-trump-rallies-in-washington.html)
Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.[7](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/capitol-mob-trump-supporters.html) And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.
Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.[8](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tells-rioters-i-know-how-you-feel-draws-bipartisan-condemnation-11609977209) Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.
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New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
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BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
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Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
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Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation
In a phone call, Trump tried to pressure officials in Georgia into making tens thousands of votes disappear to try and steal the 2020 election. They found no illegal votes, refused to overturn the results and began receiving death threats from Trump’s supporters.[1](https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55153918)
After Trump had exhausted all legal forms of overturning the election; From having over 60 frivolous lawsuits thrown out from all levels of courts including the conservative leaning Supreme Court (Trump picked 3 justices out of 9), and after his Attorney General Barr resigned (an individual that covered/stalled investigations for Trump), Trump turned to his stalwart supporter in Vice-President Pence. A lie was pushed that Mike Pence could refuse to certify the election results as he presided over the counting of the ballots of the electoral college during the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. Pence refused this illegal power grab. Having no further recourse Trump incited an insurrection during a rally Trump held at the same time the E.C. ballots were being certified. Trump’s supporters erected a gallows, stormed the capital where several people subsequently lost their lives including police officers. Politicians were incredibly lucky they escaped. For example Capitol Police Officer Goodman’s quick and heroic decision to lead an angry mob away from where congression members were hiding probably saved many lives. This mob was chanting hang Mike Pence, many of whom wore tactical gear, carried zip ties, and used flagpoles, fire extinguishers, and chemical sprays as weapons while attacking police officers that protected Congress.[2](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/07/mike-pence-donald-trump-republicans-religion-evangelical)
So good to see you here, PoppinKREAM, after the reddit debacle. It gives me hope for the kind of informed, careful, and comprehensive analysis on Lemmy which is, after all, your calling card.
Every day the content on Lemmy gets better all around. It’s getting very close to giving me everything I used Reddit for.
Same
Be aware that this may not be the same person as /u/poppinKREAM. That’s the beauty of the fediverse™
While not wrong, it really is me :)
Though there’s no way to really prove it unless you know some personal things about me that I can prove. But I tried to stay somewhat anonymous other than being a Canadian anthropologist who works in athletics lol
As per @doc@kbin.social suggestion, I have edited a comment on reddit I made a few weeks ago to include my Lemmy handle.
other than being a Canadian anthropologist who works in athletics
And who doesn’t know at least a dozen of those?
Hockey players are a mysterious and atavistic civilization.
You think the Yanomamö were violent? Hoo boy.
Edit one of your old posts on reddit to add your fediverse account name?
Good idea! I’ll add a link to it on my parent comment above.
Even if it wasn’t you, someone copying your well-sourced comments would be welcome but I’m also super happy that you could validate using your reddit source content.
I have a test… how do you feel about the Dakota Access Pipeline?
I’m still disgusted by the actions of the militarized police force that violently brutalized indigenous protesters.
I do believe it is you, hiya! I’m being perverse as a matter of policy.
I try not to get too invested in identities anyway. I look at the user if I need the context to evaluate their frame - but usually, you know when you’re reading insightful commentary.
“on the internet, no one knows I’m a dog”
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What’s your bank account info? I can confirm your identity that way.
They edited a previous Reddit comment with their Lemmy info.
Poppin off for real!
Goddamn, this is thorough! It’s like I’m reading PoppinKREAM over on that other site… *sees username* …O hai!
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Seeing you here makes Lemmy feel even more like home… Thank you for all you do!
Lemmy is complete if Poppin is here giving out knowledge.
POPPIN IS ON LEMMY!
Great to see you here and excited for fresh KREAM
You’re a legend. Glad to see you here
Great to see you on here!
Fuck yeah, nice to see you here!!
You are a welcome sight.
Legend. So glad you’re here!!!
BACK WITH A VENGENCE
Holy fuck is it 2016 again
Thank you! Love to see you here!
Glad to see you made the leap, keep up the great work you hoopy frood you 👍
It’s great to see you here! Thank you for your excellent work!
It’s great to see you here, still poppin these kreamy info dumps.
You’re the GOAT.
Back on Reddit, most of my saved comments were from you, PoppinKREAM. Glad to see your detailed (and well sourced!) explanations are here on the lemmyverse now too.
No reply necessary, but damn it’s great to see you here! Thanks as always for the detailed, sourced info!
Dang you’re here too? Did you leave reddit?
Love to see your hard work here!
PK spittin’ facts as usual! I’m so happy you’re here! :)
PoppinKREAM! So glad to see you here. As usual, thanks for your very informative post.
Poppinkream. Now it feels like home
Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump’s Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112138665/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript
…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.
Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]
STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.
He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.
Thank you for providing a good source and quoting, I’m definitely saving this.
I want to print this 1000 times, wrap it in a plastic binder cover letter so I can use it to smack people upside the head with it every time they utter the phrase “bOtH sIdEs”!
PoppinKREAM in the mothafuckin house! I’m home.
Holy crap it is so awesome to see you on Lemmy! This plus the indictment has totally made my day. Keep up the great work!
Yes! You made it over here!
This makes me happy.
Thank God Poppin made it over to Lemmy! Glad to have you here!
I had hoped you’d migrate to lemmy. I am happy you are here, and appreciate the work that you do.
Thanks for mentioning. I didn’t even check who wrote it … but it all makes sense. So happy PoppinKREAM made it out alive.
Oh shit! My man KREAM!
The legend returns!!
Nice to see a familiar account here! If it wasn’t for PoppinKREAM I’d have been far less informed during the Trump years!
Those bullet point quotes are…jfc
Thanks for participating, we all appreciate it
So happy to see you here, PoppinKREAM!! Thank you for everything!!
Thank you for commenting this! Very informative!
Others have beaten me to say it, I’m glad you’re here.
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What up poppin glad you are here
Well done. Very appreciated.
MVP!
Trump primed them for weeks.
I am afraid that Jan. 6 will be seen as a mere skirmish before their real battle against democracy. I hope that wherever Trump will be taken for court and prison will be sufficiently safeguarded from the mind-washed lunatics.
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We had three, yes. What about fourth indictment?
Sometime between now and September 1st. See my timeline comment elsewhere in the thread:
2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)That one is gonna come from Georgia!
To update a quote from George Takai, “People are worried about Biden’s 80 (age), but we should be more concerned about Trump’s 79 (felony charges).”
Oh my.
George is a fantastic shit poster on Mastodon. I am loving it.
It’s wild that there are so many charges, and in such a short timeframe. It feels like just yesterday that we weren’t sure if he’d ever be charged with anything…
When I heard that this was the 3rd indictment, I found myself thinking, “Ok, there’s the Mar-A-Lago case, but what was the first one? Ah…”
In the future there will be entire college courses dedicated solely to the Trump era.
It’s wild that there are so many charges, and in such a short timeframe. It feels like just yesterday that we weren’t sure if he’d ever be charged with anything…
Investigating, assembling all the evidence, putting together the case is a very involved and time consuming process.
Especially if you want to get every single little detail correct in order to make the case as bulletproof as possible.
That’s republican front runner, y’all.
/s
They’ve been trying ever since the Bush years to deny reality. Ever since WMDs they’ve been sore that reality has a liberal bias, and have been stubbornly hanging on, in the hopes that once they get past this one scandal then Republican values will win out, just you wait.
It depends which segment you mean. At the core, the party is run by idealogues, and pirates. The idealogues really believe in looney religious shit (as in, “jesus is coming!” or “demons”), or insane economic theories. The pirates don’t give a fuck about ideas or religion at all - they just want to steal money from the government and through rigging the economy.
My comment applies to Republicans broadly as a whole. Regardless of their motivations, they all find reality inconvenient and when their policies failed (WMDs in Iraq War, 2008 financial meltdown), they tried to blame others rather than admit their policy was the major cause.
Let us never forget the words of Lindsey Graham, of all people
“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it.”
Wow, that’s ridiculous. Bet the traitor walks anyway.
At this point it seems like nothing will ever happen to him, ever. He seems likely to remain free to commit more crimes, whine endlessly, swindle money from idiots and further harm the country.
Winning on indictments, that’s for true.
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Yet still nothing about sedition or treason, which will be the only thing that’ll have a chance to bring him down for good.
There’s a very legitimate chance that Donald Trump could be convicted in multiple cases of multiple crimes and still win the presidency.
The implications of that are terrifying.
Welp, better get all the zoomers registered to vote.
His supporters have been groomed (ahem) to think it’s all fake. From something I saw recently, 91% of Republicans don’t believe he has committed federal crimes.
It was a smaller percentage than that. What’s terrifying is that the percentage of people who support him is higher than the percentage of those who think he committed crimes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/01/us/politics/trump-republicans-poll-crimes.html#
This article states that 17% of voters who support him over Biden admit he committed crimes, but still support him.
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And yet they’re also the ones who would never support letting convicts vote… And probably would never support someone else who had committed a crime becoming president…
I read that on this link. Is it accurate? idk. oh, i see now it says ‘fox news viewers’, but that’s not really a different group, is it?
Well, that is to be expected when you consider that most Republicans are Christian. When your religion goes against the trans movement and pedophilia, it would be rather hard to go for anyone else.
I can understand the comment on trans-movement being adopted as an anti-Christian movement at the current time (even though I think it’s more of a freedom issue republicans are attacking with that one and the specific reason religion shouldn’t be in control of legislation), but there is a long record of both prominent christians and republicans that, if not the dominant part, are a significant constituency of the pedophilia cases in this country.
Can you source this? I’ve always been underneath the consensus that it is more or less the same for both sides.
Edit: Regarding politicians - not citizens. Although that would also be an interest data set to look at.
Are you actually equating trans people with pedophilia right now? Absolutely unbelievable. Go outside.
what the fucking hell of fuck does that mean?
They are saying that if you’re against pedophilia you need to vote Republican… Yeah…
And apparently that being trans is somehow related to being a child molester, which is one of the more fucked up things the right has been pushing recently.
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And an equal chance he’ll lose a 3rd popular vote and still have a chance of becoming president. We need to reform or straight out abolish the electoral college.
South Africa would like to have a word… This is exactly what happened with Jacob Zuma. Thankfully not in a country that’s a world superpower though… 😳
Not really the jan 6 case would legally bar him from running in any state or federal election
Does it have to conclude before 2024?
They might be able to get him to take a plea deal sense he’s only running not to go to jail drop all charges except the one barring him from running again
Trump is fucked. The only way out for him to get out of this is to win in 2024.
This is why the jan 6 case is so important get him disqualified from running then we can take the time to get the other case’s right
This is why the jan 6 case is so important get him disqualified from running then we can take the time to get the other case’s right
They might be able to get him to take a plea deal sense he’s only running not to go to jail drop all charges except the one barring him from running again
This is in reference to the 14th amendment, right? Assuming that he’s convicted before the election, how would that be enforced? Say New York refuses to put him on the ballot and SCOTUS says that they can’t do that. What would happen then?
And people are proud to live here….
Can he be on a federal ballot as a felon?
Felons can be elected president, but in most cases, cannot vote in the presidential election. Because, America… I guess.
He disqualified himself under the Fourteenth Amendment the moment he sent goons to attack Congress. As such, no state should list him on a ballot; he’s not a valid candidate.
The legal question is does the Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment apply prior to conviction in Federal Court. Second, Congress can vote to ignore it with a 2/3 vote in the House.
My popcorn is ready. I expect to be entertained.
No one should be above the law. Especially public officials such as the President. We should not set precedent to allow someone to get away with what he has done.
I would say the same about Clinton, Obama, or Biden, had they done the same. This is not about party politics or team sports.
The proper term is treason.
I think it’s actually sedition. You have to conspire with an external enemy for it to be treason (I mean, he did that too, but this is mostly homegrown and easier to prove).
Sedition.* We’re not at war.
We’ve been at war continuously for the last 20 years, actually. That’s not an exaggeration, it’s a literal fact about the way post-9/11 America structured the powers of the presidency to declare and then just maintain a state of war.
Treason, once Congress was attacked on January 6 2021. Mr. Trump made himself an enemy of the United States; his movement did levy war against Congress. The specific intention to wage war on behalf of Trump was expressed many, many times by his supporters. Thus, anyone offering aid and comfort to him or his movement is thereby a traitor on plain Constitutional law.
They intended war. They were really shitty at it. But they sincerely intended to use violence to compel political change by attacking the seat of government and forcing compliance with their terms.
Incompetent, blundering treason is still treason.
Insurrection and treason are defined differently and have different sentencing guidelines.
The laymen’s definition of treason is not what the legal definition is.
It’s interesting though because there’s some leeway with the interpretation. See the link below for the relevant part of the constitution and some discussion by Chief Justice John Marshall, as it related to Aaron Burr’s treason trials.
Here’s an excerpt:
He stated: On the contrary, if war be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors. But, Chief Justice Marshall emphasized, there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war.
Based on that, and the actual assembling of rioters who stormed the capitol, I could see some interpretation where Treason fits with Jan 6.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S3-C1-2/ALDE_00013525/#
Which is convenient for trump and people who think pedantry wins arguments.
They just need to be charged with the correct terms.
Perhaps, but Trump is a traitor, regardless of what our inadequate court system is able to do.
The world is watching America. Send this man to prison.
I really want to see something come of this and I have a sliver of hope that it will, but I’m too tired to get excited about it.
How I’ve felt for almost 6 years now lol. It’s good to see action and I’ll support it in whatever way, I just don’t get my hopes up anymore.
How are they going to get an impartial jury?
I’ve been wondering about that, too. I mean, if they want people who haven’t already formed an opinion and read articles on the charges, they’re going to have to go to a hermitage.
You underestimate the complete lack of curiosity of your fellow American.
The scary thing is, it will probably be very easy to find people that have not been paying attention.
lol, your poor hopes…
I will buy the oldest single malt I can afford on the day I read the headline that it’s finally over and the cell doors are closed, but until then it’s just too much damn noise to keep up and try to stay somewhat sane. Fuck the entire GOP for making us have to wade through this shit constantly.
You know I’d glady share a drink with you in that day. It’d mean that there’s still some hope left in this world.
Same. Let’s plan a global cheers!
I doubt you’d have to plan much. If/When the day comes, there will be less alcohol in the world by the next morning.
I hope this isn’t like the beer pods they installed in Cleveland for when the browns win a game. Those didn’t get use for a very long time lol
I’d join you for that malt but I’m pretty sure they’re going to drag this out for the very high chance he’ll die before he faces consequences, because they’re too afraid of what will happen if he faces consequences.
The DOJ wouldn’t have brought these charges unless they knew they would stick.
Something like 99% of cases that DOJ brings charges for are won, but that’s mostly because 97% of the defendants please guilty. 25% of those that fight are acquited, so still pretty good chances that he goes to jail from this.
Still, the first GOP president will just pardon him, so even if we win, we’ll eventually lose.
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Can Kemp pardon him in GA?
As far as I understand it, governors can’t pardon.
Michael Cohen went to trial where Trump was “Individual-1”, yet for some reason Trump seemed to have never gotten punished for that one.
He has literally been charged in New York relating to the hush money payments that Michael Cohen went to prison over. So this isn’t exactly true.
“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” - Martin Luther King Jr.
When it comes to things like this I just have to ask one question: does the accused have an ass ton of money? If not, uh oh looks like some jail time coming. If yes, well then carry on, nothing to see here.
Bernie Madoff had tens of billions of dollars. Epstein was rich, so was Weinstein.
If you piss off the wrong people (or you’re dangerous to the wrong people) cash can’t save you.
This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here.
If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 8/1/2023
Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment <- You Are Here
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
SentencingGeorgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
SentencingNew York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
SentencingFlorida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
SentencingOther grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.
It’s more than kind of insane when you put it all together like that
And there are no mysteries here. We know he did it. We saw him do it, in some cases. We have known for years about the fake-elector scheme. We’ve all seen photos of the documents at Mar-a-Lago. We’ve heard him, on tape, begging for state officials to betray our democracy.
If the law is allowed to matter, these people are simply fucked.
If.
Yup. But the law doesn’t matter, and we’re all fucked for it.
I’ll happily be wrong here, but I don’t think I will be
Those 2 trial dates are so far in the future. He needs to be convicted and barred from holding office before the next Presidential election.
Though I do wonder at the chaos if he’s convicted around June-July 2024. Only 3-4 months before the election. Is that enough time for Republicans to pivot to a new deplorable?
Even if he were convicted on all the charges we have so far, technically, none of them would bar him from office.
He could be blocked from being sworn in by, you know, being in prison, I guess. But the convictions themselves would not be blockers.
What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that bars convicted felons from higher office, and while we’re at it, maybe add an age cap as well. Nobody over 70 for President, Congress, Senate, or Supreme Court.
What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that bars convicted felons from higher office
This would be dangerous, allowing inconvenient politicians to be excluded from office through framing or selective enforcement of the law.
What we really need is a population capable of making better decisions.
Oh, no doubt about that, but which is more likely? :)
100% agreed. This is exactly what happened in Burma if I recall correctly. Democratically elected president removed from office as a result of criminal accusations - her crime was attending a gathering in contravention of covid restrictions IIRC.
Serious question because I don’t fully understand the judicial process and what not. Why are the trials so far in the future?
This is a great timeline format! Thanks!
I try to keep it from most imminent to farther out. Georgia will jump to the top if something happens there, and the D.C. one will get updated when there’s an arrest date.
Georgia may the most important trial. He cannot be federally pardoned for it and so a conviction in Georgia puts him in jail for real ( though I am not sure if Kemp can pardon him ).
The New York trial is the same but it is too easy to spin that trial as a witch hunt. If that is the only reason he is convicted, America is in for a bad time.
Georgia is more dangerous. The legislature there passed a law, which Kemp signed, allowing for the removal of a DA under certain circumstances.
The leading theory is that as soon as she brings charges, she’ll be removed.
This is very helpful. Thank you!
Wow, the trials are roughly a year after the indictment/arrest? Is that normal in America or is it so long due to the special circumstances?
Are they just waiting for an availability in the court or is it to allow enough time for the lawyers to go through processes and do their job?
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I’m not an American and I read the whole 45 pages indictment. One one hand, because it was highly entertaining to read Agent Oranges tweet in such a serious context, on the other hand because, in a way, this affects the whole world. The defendant was such a horrible (and effective) role model to authoritarian politicians around the globe and I honestly believe the US won’t recover from a not-guilty verdict or even worse, a second term of that ape.
But even IF he somehow, miraculously, gets a prison sentence - there is still so much to be done. The whole apparatus that enabled him should face justice. Not only his direct co-conspirators but also republican congressmen & -women that violated their oath to protect your republic from exatly the tyranny that the defendant tried to establish.
But who am I kidding; In reality I am already waiting for the announcement of his second term, the pardoning of each and everyone of his co-conspirators plus a self-pardon (how crazy is that?!) from '47. Thats how much trust I have in your system at this point.
So, if there was a conspiracy to deny voting rights can we file a class action lawsuit?
Real harms have been done to our democracy and everyone is suffering because of it.
Being a US citizen, it is interesting to observe my social circles reactions to both President Biden and President Trump.
Most of the men I know trend towards being pro Trump and I don’t think this will sit well with them. The reason being that I think it is less about what Trump actually does to them, but rather what he represents. Last I checked via wikipedia, Trump has anti trans campaign points for 2024.The trend I notice is that men I knew who grew up going to church feel displaced by their traditional view being eroded by things like LGBT, gender identity questions, and changing of the times in general. While the women I know who even often date these men the opposite; they feel more comfortable being accepting of everyone by default.
Should Trump be convicted, I think it will alienate a group of voters into full disbelief of the existing system. The question is does that matter at all in the grand scheme of things or should these voters feel slighted - will that matter since they have no real recourse or will they simply forget Trump given time.
In preparation for comments on this - please don’t try to assign me politically. I’m simply remarking on what I’ve observed as a citizen when speaking with other adults in my life.
I’m more worried than usual, because the GOP is backing him so hard. He’s going to try and delay all verdicts until 2025 by having his lawyers issue motions and objections. If Trump wins, it’s without question he’ll try to pardon himself (and likely fail) or will direct the attorney general to drop all pending cases. We literally could lose American democracy this time around.
Woohoo! May he spend the rest of his days in prison.
If the political consultant is Mr. Pillow I’m going to die laughing.
He just needs to be thrown in prison and left to rot at this point. Can’t believe he is still out and in public let alone running a campaign…
Call me when he’s actually going to jail.