• LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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      TBH Bernie pretty much said this and almost all AmeriKKKans think of him as a “leftist”, but I agree that he is also a liberal. The actual AmeriKKKan left is very small, and even then quite a few are this way (for example, many factions of the DSA).

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        Yeah I don’t really respect the political opinions of most Americans enough to label them as they self describe. Those of us in the rest of the world are still going to use the words that properly describe what the ideology is.

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          Based and anti-American pilled. However, chauvinism is absolutely real even in the actual American left. It just doesn’t manifest in the kind of “rules and norms” nonsense the meme is making fun of.

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        American leftists cannot imagine a world that isn’t totally dominated by capitalist imperialism or one that isn’t ruled by capitalist elites, where the wealth has been removed from these evils so they cannot exert control over the masses, so they wont even entertain the idea of “maybe everything doesn’t have to be done in the most evil fucking way possible.”

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        “people of Venezuela are happy for Venezuela” oh you mean the “people of Venezuela” in fucking Florida who are, very coincidentally, much more wealthy and much more reactionary than the actual Venezuelans living in their native country?

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        Taiwan does have some cool history when it comes to resisting colonization efforts, like the Hakka shooting up the Japanese forces when they first landed in 1898 (and then getting murdered in retaliation unfortunately) (also the Hakka were themselves settlers or descendants of settlers, of course. “The history is complicated”)

        and the indigenous Seediq chopping off heads of Japanese occupation forces a couple of decades later (and then getting murdered in retaliation unfortunately)

        but for some reason I don’t expect that guy to know any of that. I may be wrong but I’m going to assume someone calling themselves Chicagofire, complaining about “sweeping generalization of americans” and using terms like “PRC” and “Formosa” is, in fact, a USian, and like most USians, know nothing of world history

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    Leftists from the Global South are the moral compass of our world

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    Even the analysis by much of the actual US left has been quite lacking around this imo. The primary line seems to be that this is bad because the actions of the US are imperialist and warmongering which is absolutely true, but it sort of just ends there. There seems to be a shying away from the actual specific conditions of Venezuela and it’s relationship to the US. Instead of solidarity for Venezuelan socialism the best the left here seems to muster is “we shouldn’t bomb you because that’s wrong for obscure reasons”. It just seems hollow and maybe even harder to build a long term movement around.

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    1. I get the sentiment here - that Westerners might have some blind spots about ideas of sovereignty, etc., but…
    2. Having lived in the “Global South” for so long and lived here in the West for a couple of years too, I’ve met leftists from both hemispheres (?). I can assure you that we are just as heterogeneous, compromised, sectarian, as you guys in the West lol. This is giving “noble savage” myth.
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    Only true to some extend. There’s a ton more people with anti-imperialism sentiment than any western country, but there’s lots of libs and bootlickers too.

    I’ve already seen a bunch of venezuelan libs on bluesky and here in Brasil the rigmt wing, specially bolsonaristas, are celebrating and calling for the same to happen here, inclading a lot of politicians.

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      Why are we even talking about the libs? Libs are objectively rightwing regardless of the country.

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        Because there’s a ton of libs that actually tend to lean more to the left in latin america that opposes and condems the USian invade while also saying shit like agreeing Maduro is a dictator.

        As much as I also don’t see them as leftists, there is a clear difference between these libs and the ones that full on agree with the invasion.

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          A lib is a lib. A defender of the capitalist status quo. A leftist who claims to be ‘anti-capitalist’ but regurgitate the same imperialist propaganda from the largest capitalist government is a problem on the left.

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            That’s an oversimplification. Here in Brazil for example there are strands of workerism that have a lot of the same criticsms we have, fight in a lot of the same fights, but don’t take into account class and don’t want to overcome capitalism. They are still libs and as wrong as they are, they are considered left here and are much more left than the current government.

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              The ones who consider social democrats and liberals ‘center left’ need to redo their political education.

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    first-time?

    This happens every time the imperialist war machine does anything. Western leftists fall back into line and start kissing boot now that they’ve had their fun playing at being a leftist, while western leftists continue to oppose this shit and try to point out to everyone else how the US and west do this sort of thing all the time, and this isn’t new or shocking.