cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7701162

I want to ask here too if that’s ok. Still not 100% sure how federation works but would like to get a bigger audience for more viewpoints.

I would love to hear the thoughts of this leftist community, not least any comrade in Russia. In the US it’s so hard to get any serious Russia news/analysis because of the propaganda here- you have red guys that love Russia & Putin to own the libs, and you have blue guys that hate Russia & Putin because it’s their favorite boogeyman. I ask because I personally don’t like Putin for his war on gayness (wake me up when we get to war of gayness) but I understand that countries in the US’s crosshairs are those that make their history under the least self-selected circumstances. I was looking at some stats when this question came to mind:

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So material conditions have definitely improved under Putin, which is a miracle considering the fall of the USSR and the disgrace of Yeltsin, which makes me think there are probably people out there who like Putin for rational reasons, besides owning the libs. I would love to hear your thoughts either way.

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    If not Putin, it would be someone else serving the interests of the Russian homeland and Russian capital. If not that, given the fall of the USSR and the conditions after, it’d probably be someone serving the interests of the US international imperial interests and western capital (which would be far worse for everyone than the alternative). Ideally, we will one day see a resurgence of a communist vanguard in the region, but right now, Russia staying stable as an anti-imperialist counterweight is more important than bringing back local socialism.

    So I see Putin as more a representative of the conditions than as someone to be overly preoccupied with as an individual. This isn’t to say he doesn’t have agency as some mechanical materialist view, but that if it wasn’t him, it would be someone acting similarly since the causes that result in someone like him go far beyond him.

    The alphabet agencies would no doubt like people to condemn him from whatever angle works. But I am not interested in doing the tango with the CIAssholes. (I am not saying you’re in that camp, but thinking of narratives that try to vilify him in a variety of ways, playing on whatever cause might get people to hate him.) Russia is right now a force of anti-imperialism, whether it’s current leadership really wanted to go that route or was pushed into it by the west’s relentless desire for servitude, and being a force of anti-imperialism is better than it being a western puppet. I’m sure there are far worse leaders of nations, such as in the imperial core itself, so who am I to talk… I mean, if material conditions have improved under Russia’s current leadership overall, that’s already better than the declining capitalist west is doing for its citizens.

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      26 days ago

      Russia staying stable as an anti-imperialist counterweight is more important than bringing back local socialism.

      It’s a false dichotomy, and a resurgent indigenous socialist movement would be no less anti-imperialist, as evidenced by the CPRF’s stance on the war in Ukraine.

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        “Staying stable” is the important part there. I would fully expect that a communist vanguard would be anti-imperialist, probably more so than the current leadership. However, the question of transition is important and if done carelessly, the west could take advantage of any resulting chaos to try to foment separatism and civil war and the like, especially while a war is ongoing.

        Does that make sense?

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          Okay sure, the present moment is not ripe for revolutionary defeatism, which the CPRF probably understands; not that they’re in a position to mount one right now.

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            Right and if it came across at all like I thought they didn’t understand that, to be clear, I was speaking to what I thought was a viewpoint they would be in agreement with. But I may have not conveyed it in the best way.