I was a captive audience to someone talking about how some countries only had access to China’s vaccine. They said the vaccine was terrible and people took it and still got COVID.

But like… I took American vaccines and still got COVID…

…and over a million people in the US died of COVID, some of whom where vaccinated with US subsidized, corporate vaccines.

It was brought up because others were talking about global inequality during the pandemic. So having to take the subpar sinovac was apparently all part of global inequalities.

I hate talking about COVID and I feel like it’s so distracting and people try to make everything about COVID because it’s so easy to do. Maybe that is just a hot take but this argument that sinovac sucks because people still contracted COVID is at best a really lazy way to try to say US vaccines are better.

Also the same person implied masking prevents people from contracting the virus… instead of preventing you from spreading it to others like was repeated ad nasium by medical representatives for 2 years straight.

  • @OrnluWolfjarl
    3•11 months ago

    There’s a recent statistical study that shows that vaccinated people (with the Western vaccines) tend to have a higher chance of getting COVID long-term (at least 6 months after the vaccine). And the chance seems to increase with booster shots. If there’s a correlation we don’t know yet (but the math suggests it), and why there would be we are not sure about.

    I’m not against vaccines, but it should be noted that most Western pharma corporations, with the exception of Pfizer, were already saying that the vaccine protects from symptoms and doesn’t limit spread. Many countries wanted to get their population vaccinated, so they were promoting the false idea that vaccines limit spread.

    Pfizer picked up on that and also started falsely saying their vaccine was limiting spread, while they had the data that it doesn’t. They also hid data about adverse effects and were heavily trying to downplay them.

    TLDR, western vaccines are not better than Russian, Chinese, Cuban or other COVID vaccines. All they do, especially after the multiple Coronavirus variations that emerged after the vaccines were developed, is they limit the symptoms and can save a sick person from going into ICU or dying.

    • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
      11•11 months ago

      There’s a recent statistical study that shows that vaccinated people […] tend to have a higher chance of getting COVID long-term

      You’re gonna need a source of you’re making bold claims like that

      so they were promoting the false idea that vaccines limit spread.

      Studies show COVID vaccines did limit spread [1]

      Also anecdotally China contained COVID extremely well and were meticulous in vaccinating the population. While reducing ICU trips is a noble cause, if that’s all the vaccines did, China would have kept up the research pressure until they did more.

      1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35084937 ↩︎

        • @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
          2•11 months ago

          That actually seems to check out. The article does note the benefits of the vaccine, but their description of Figure 2 in conclusion:

          The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses was unexpected. […] This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. During an Omicron wave in Iceland, individuals who had previously received 2 or more doses were found to have a higher odds of reinfection than those who had received fewer than 2 doses of vaccine […] A large study found, in an adjusted analysis, that those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving three doses of vaccine had a higher risk of reinfection than those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving two doses of vaccine. Another study found, in multivariable analysis, that receipt of two or three doses of a mRNA vaccine following prior COVID-19 was associated with a higher risk of reinfection than receipt of a single dose. Immune imprinting from prior exposure to different antigens in a prior vaccine, and class switch towards non-inflammatory spike-specific IgG4 antibodies after repeated SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination, have been suggested as possible mechanisms by why prior vaccine may provide less protection than expected.