THIS motivated the “current largest labor action in USA”? Not the countless other reasons but THIS?
US petty burgies at Sigliberalism are apparently mad their comission-fueled comfortable life are being endangered and are trying to twist Marx to defend it. Also they suddenly started to love IP and cry crocodile tears about poor artists being ripped.
Also lol the donwnvotes in this thread are something entirely else, guy just shared his (admittely non-40k style) pics and every positivity for him is being dogpiled.
Why would capitalists pay 5 people $35000 per year ($175k total) to produce a couple dozen sketches per day at best, when they can pay one person $60k-$80k per year to make hundreds of finished works. AI works have the speed of being a punch-press operator with the fine-tuning of a CNC-miller. We haven’t really seen custom work of this scale before. I think it will be a preview into what physical labor will look like with cheap modular robotics vs current methods based on machine operation and support crews.
I agree with this. I think there will be fewer professionals who get paid more while simultaneously producing more, which will cut out a lot of the skilled workers the same way the first wave of industrialization replaced blacksmiths with metal workers and engineers. But I think in this case the people doing the cheap dataset training won’t necessarily need to be artists and they’ll probably be outsourced to third parties. So the only artists necessary are the ones telling the AI “create x images based on this drawing I uploaded”. And since most companies want a uniform style across their product line, they won’t want multiple artists messing with that data, they’ll want one person whose style is recognizeable. Similar to how big name soundtrack musicians currently get all the brand recognition despite having numerous supporting technicians, but with AI performing the role of the technicians. Another example is voice artists and actors. Anyone can have Tara Strong in their work of all they need to do is pay for a few voice samples. Or how in the new star wars movies, they found a Mark Hamill lookalike but still CG’d Hamill’s face over the actor, making the actual actor himself just a host for someone with brand recognition.
Small-time artists don’t make money on IP. A lot of them are IP thieves in their own right, and get popular by remixing the works of others. Their own characters and stories usually don’t get as much attention and they make most of their money on commissions (ie. a person with no skill needs their skill to make an image). Getting your own characters or story to blow up is seen as “making it” and is extremely rare if they don’t already have connections with powerful figures. Most pop culture figures have rich parents when you look into it, including animators that a lot of poor artists look up to. The reason smalltime artists get upset about AI art is because it takes away the only thing they can offer, which is the skill to create something a buyer wants. I would imagine more prolific artists are upset about it because AI will increase competition until only the most recognized brands survive, so a lot can see themselves being cut out of the equation and having all their customers go to people who are already millionaires.
I think this goes along with the myth about github’s AI program writer making it easier for newbies to get into programming. All it really does it make Github the keyholder. If you take away the necessity of learning a skill, then the person who owns the tool has all the power. Because you won’t know how to produce it yourself and will instead rely on the keyholder to give you the answer. Another example is facebook giving people pre-formatted user pages vs people doing their own html. When a tool does the work for you, you give all the power to that tool and its owner. Sure more people than ever have internet profiles, but at the cost of the real owners selling user data and manipulating their psychology. Rather than democratizing the internet by making it accessible to newbies, it instead promoted walled gardens and placed the control in the hands of big business.
I agree with you on this one.
For example: go look at the thread at Sigmarxism i took that screen from, and look at what exactly OP of that thread posted. Point is, he did specified it has to be 40k imperial propaganda and AI was completely unable to create anything looking even remotely like this. And for what i know probably thousands hours were put into getting that (EDIT: not specifically that thread naturally, but overall attempts of getting AI to create anything really 40k). Current AI is completely incapable of making it too specific, it would need tons of work. Same with anything other too specific, we are posting Marx and Stalin created by AI all the time here but you won’t see even one decent Lenin (well i got one good but anime Lenin and that’s it) or nothing even remotely resembling H&S. That means if they want to get heavily into AI that gruntwork would increase probably way more than the current art comissioning. Who knows in the future though.
I will certainly watch it since it’s interesting and we are right now at the moment of birth of technology that can potentially transform quite much, but it’s in it infancy and it can go many different ways. Though i don’t predict either the best one or the worst one happening.
It was the same in manufacturing, skilled artisans were replaced by machine operators. It don’t mean that machine operators don’t need skill too, just a different one. Again we can’t stop this, and neither i do think we should stop this. And continuing the comparison, the people i talk about would be not entirely unlike the guilders.
Definitely, again we will see the same phenomenon Marx described, people squeezing themselves to compete with machine and ultimately losing, becoming proletarians in the process.
Somehow i don’t see people buying art for 50 bucks being able to afford those established brands, not to mention millionaires. More like they will just do it themselves. What you probably didn’t missed if you looked at the mentioned Deviantart, is how the overal amount of productive accounts rise rapidly, even though they produce AI pics.
Again, similar as in the other automation cases, but since it’s digital thing there would probably always be alternatives, also i don’t think humans will en masse lost the drawing ability or something. And as i wrote them, it’s not AI they hate, it’s capitalism, and they downvoted even such a well established 150 years marxist thought, which precisely prompted me to call the sub “sigliberalism” and them the petty bourgies, even if just for their mentality.
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I see you are one of the downvoted posters in that thread, is that why you are so dismissive of artists? Is it socialist to call people “petit-bourgeois” just because you disagree with them? Looking through that thread, they had some great points.
It seems like your view of artists is some kind of high art gallery artist who splashes paint on a board and then gets 5$ million from it. Or you somehow think the profits at marvel is given to the artists instead of the shareholders. 95% of artists are working class just like you and me.
Also, we are not in a communist utopia, so cheering for technological advances like this is basically cheering for mass poverty.
I exactly said who i meant and why so don’t twist my words. It is you, who is building the picture of some huge (mass poverty, really?) and very homogenous group of “artists”.
It’s also not a hill to die for, it’s already happening and won’t stop.
OK, when your industry inevitably gets cannabalized by AI, and you are jobless. I will be quoting your words back at you.
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