Is that April’s fools post? Because it’s true regardless, he’s not an atheist but agnostic that just search for his brand of opium, it was clearly visible even in the “God Delusion”.
The clip was uploaded Yesterday, and boy howdy does he say '“I’m a white supremacist” and “I’m a fascist” in it like 8 times in as many different ways.
For one he embraces white European identity as “superior” to anything else. Then he rejects the old guard of that identity “I would be happy if ever cathedral and parish hall was gone tomorrow”. Then spends the rest of it trying to weasel word a justification of “White Christianity” as a progressive force with “women and homosexuals” just straight up ignoring the fact that this is absolutely not true and in fact the opposite of what they believe.
His double standard is pretty clear when he even acknowledges that Christianity and the Bible are not inherently good on the subject of women’s rights and gay rights, but “specific Christians are better”. Then immediately turns around and draws conclusions and Islam and all Muslims because he think the Quran is somehow worse.
I mean Dawkins is shown in liberal media as paragon of atheism (together with Hitchens), so i would assume lib media would make an april’s fools joke about him being christian. On the other hand, Norton is absolutely correct about him in his comment, so it might just be true because as i said Dawkins is not an atheist but agnostic and as a lib is fully expected to abandon his faux values to stand on his real ones that is white supremacy.
(a)gnosticism and (a)theism are separate axes, there are virtually zero atheists who claim certainty of knowledge. You’ve misunderstood something along the way here.
What do you even mean, my point is that Dawkins is taken by libs as paragon of atheism but he’s not even an atheist, his book reeks of spiritual search and neophyte zeal typical of agnostics in the process of finding his new opium (and that Norton is 100% correct here)
no part of being atheist or theist requires thinking you have knowledge. If you’re using the god delusion to say dawkins doesn’t count as an atheist, you’re saying there are no atheists at all because none of us have the hubris to claim we know for sure.
there are gnostic and agnostic theists, there are agnostic atheists, and out of all the people who have ever lived you could probably fit the gnostic atheists on a single bus.
I think, in the context of arguing a point along the lines of “This person is actually Y, not X!”, it makes a fair amount of sense to nitpick about definitions, especially if your claim lies in assuming that Y and X are mutually exclusive.
I know several Christian atheists. They study the Bible as a work of fiction and participate in Christian ceremonies and gatherings. They just don’t believe god literally exists.
you can’t prove a negative. it’s intellectually irresponsible to say or believe that you know with 100% certainty that “god” or bigfoot or whatever doesn’t exist, in a mirror of the way that weird christians will claim to know that god talks to them.
Is that April’s fools post? Because it’s true regardless, he’s not an atheist but agnostic that just search for his brand of opium, it was clearly visible even in the “God Delusion”.
The clip was uploaded Yesterday, and boy howdy does he say '“I’m a white supremacist” and “I’m a fascist” in it like 8 times in as many different ways.
For one he embraces white European identity as “superior” to anything else. Then he rejects the old guard of that identity “I would be happy if ever cathedral and parish hall was gone tomorrow”. Then spends the rest of it trying to weasel word a justification of “White Christianity” as a progressive force with “women and homosexuals” just straight up ignoring the fact that this is absolutely not true and in fact the opposite of what they believe.
His double standard is pretty clear when he even acknowledges that Christianity and the Bible are not inherently good on the subject of women’s rights and gay rights, but “specific Christians are better”. Then immediately turns around and draws conclusions and Islam and all Muslims because he think the Quran is somehow worse.
If I remember correctly, this isn’t the first time Dawkins has said this
Yeah, I’m pretty sure he said this before. I also think Hitchens said the same thing too
Ah shit I’m not sure but if I got punked then I knew it all along and was just testing you guys.
I mean Dawkins is shown in liberal media as paragon of atheism (together with Hitchens), so i would assume lib media would make an april’s fools joke about him being christian. On the other hand, Norton is absolutely correct about him in his comment, so it might just be true because as i said Dawkins is not an atheist but agnostic and as a lib is fully expected to abandon his faux values to stand on his real ones that is white supremacy.
(a)gnosticism and (a)theism are separate axes, there are virtually zero atheists who claim certainty of knowledge. You’ve misunderstood something along the way here.
What do you even mean, my point is that Dawkins is taken by libs as paragon of atheism but he’s not even an atheist, his book reeks of spiritual search and neophyte zeal typical of agnostics in the process of finding his new opium (and that Norton is 100% correct here)
no part of being atheist or theist requires thinking you have knowledge. If you’re using the god delusion to say dawkins doesn’t count as an atheist, you’re saying there are no atheists at all because none of us have the hubris to claim we know for sure.
there are gnostic and agnostic theists, there are agnostic atheists, and out of all the people who have ever lived you could probably fit the gnostic atheists on a single bus.
Ah you’re going into the extremely specific definition route, fair enough.
I think, in the context of arguing a point along the lines of “This person is actually Y, not X!”, it makes a fair amount of sense to nitpick about definitions, especially if your claim lies in assuming that Y and X are mutually exclusive.
you’re the one who brought up the guy’s book where he literally talks about this. there’s a seven-(for some reason) point scale and everything.
Imagining a Gnostic Atheist that denies the existence of god but admits the Demiurge does exist.
I know several Christian atheists. They study the Bible as a work of fiction and participate in Christian ceremonies and gatherings. They just don’t believe god literally exists.
So, basically a fanclub?
Lol it sounds similar, yeah. They’re into Jesus in the same way I’m into Sonic
you can’t prove a negative. it’s intellectually irresponsible to say or believe that you know with 100% certainty that “god” or bigfoot or whatever doesn’t exist, in a mirror of the way that weird christians will claim to know that god talks to them.