RuAF has been using new FAB-500 glide bombs on Avdiivka by the hundreds. FAB-500s are approximately 8 feet long (imperial system) and weigh 500kg (1100lbs). Designed in the Soviet Union, Russia has ENORMOUS stockpiles of them, and they remained kind of an untapped resource. They are very, very cheap (especially considering that they were paid for decades ago) and the wings allow them to drop the bombs from pretty far off, and the bombs will glide towards a precise target. This allows Russian bombers to bomb things without worrying about Ukrainian MANPADS. Urban wrecking balls
I guess depends if it’s original FAB or if they are modified to KAB standard. The first ones are unguided, though depending on technique and modern aiming equipment they can be quite precise. Also when bombing places like Avdiivka this don’t really matter - there are basically no civilian targets there now. KAB bombs are guided.
No, I mean that the “precision” munitions are usually about as precise as a couple square metres, usually less. It’s enough to get the target. But as you know, UA military have a penchant for positioning among civilian structures. So a precision munition that can destroy a howitzer nest next to an apartment building will also likely shred whoever is in the building too.
Now I won’t shed any tears for the fuckers in the Nazi battalions. But I find it hard to pretend that every single individual over there is a Nazi, and so are their houses
There’s still infrastructure. Houses, schools perhaps, hospitals, you name it. The civilians will have to return at some point. Who will they blame for the misery and destruction? I somehow doubt it will be Zelensky or Poroshenko or Victoria Nuland
Yeah. Ultimately it all comes down to this. I’m not diminishing the suffering of the people, but every time i see Ukrainian refugees i also see the horrors of 90’s Russia (and Ukraine!) being possibly prevented to happen anew.
usually about as precise as a couple square metres, usually less
Don’t we have Lancets for that? It’s not as if we’re hitting every suspicious bush with 500 kilos of high explosives.
I think FABs are used to clear buildings with extensive defenses built into them (machine gun nests, etc.) instead of driving straight up to them with tanks and bombing them that way while risking land mines and ATGMs. That way, if we see enemy fortifications, we just delete the entire struture from existence. This sounds brutal, but it does not cause more civilian deaths than charging at these buildings while yelling “URAAAAA!” at the top of our lungs and then clearing these structures room by room with hand grenades and assault weapons.
It is.
RuAF has been using new FAB-500 glide bombs on Avdiivka by the hundreds. FAB-500s are approximately 8 feet long (imperial system) and weigh 500kg (1100lbs). Designed in the Soviet Union, Russia has ENORMOUS stockpiles of them, and they remained kind of an untapped resource. They are very, very cheap (especially considering that they were paid for decades ago) and the wings allow them to drop the bombs from pretty far off, and the bombs will glide towards a precise target. This allows Russian bombers to bomb things without worrying about Ukrainian MANPADS. Urban wrecking balls
Pretty sure those are unguided. Or about as guided as those yankee “precision munitions”. Are we arriving at the carpet bombing stage?
I guess depends if it’s original FAB or if they are modified to KAB standard. The first ones are unguided, though depending on technique and modern aiming equipment they can be quite precise. Also when bombing places like Avdiivka this don’t really matter - there are basically no civilian targets there now. KAB bombs are guided.
A guided 500 kilos of explosives is still a 500 kilos of explosives. It’ll level a lot.
That’s the point i guess.
No, I mean that the “precision” munitions are usually about as precise as a couple square metres, usually less. It’s enough to get the target. But as you know, UA military have a penchant for positioning among civilian structures. So a precision munition that can destroy a howitzer nest next to an apartment building will also likely shred whoever is in the building too.
Now I won’t shed any tears for the fuckers in the Nazi battalions. But I find it hard to pretend that every single individual over there is a Nazi, and so are their houses
But those places have been fought for days or weeks already. I doubt there is many civilians left there at all.
There’s still infrastructure. Houses, schools perhaps, hospitals, you name it. The civilians will have to return at some point. Who will they blame for the misery and destruction? I somehow doubt it will be Zelensky or Poroshenko or Victoria Nuland
Yeah. Ultimately it all comes down to this. I’m not diminishing the suffering of the people, but every time i see Ukrainian refugees i also see the horrors of 90’s Russia (and Ukraine!) being possibly prevented to happen anew.
Don’t we have Lancets for that? It’s not as if we’re hitting every suspicious bush with 500 kilos of high explosives.
I think FABs are used to clear buildings with extensive defenses built into them (machine gun nests, etc.) instead of driving straight up to them with tanks and bombing them that way while risking land mines and ATGMs. That way, if we see enemy fortifications, we just delete the entire struture from existence. This sounds brutal, but it does not cause more civilian deaths than charging at these buildings while yelling “URAAAAA!” at the top of our lungs and then clearing these structures room by room with hand grenades and assault weapons.
Pictures of guidance systems from a wreckage