Mainly because a lot of the problems these guys are talking about just not materilaizing within the franchise have existed since like 2012.
Too many quips? Avengers 1, Dark World and Age of Ultron were infamous for this.
Every new movie is a sequel hook? Iron Man 2 was a 3 hour trailer for the Avengers, and this series popularized post credits scenes
Bad Special Effects? Phase 1 films looked like they were cooked up in about a week because their sets were so cheap.
Bad writing/Too much bait and switch? Remember how mad fans got over Iron Man 3 with the Mandarin twist?
I think all this discourse is less about Marvel “not being good anymore” and more about people starting to unconsciously realize that mindless corporate shlock isn’t actually that gripping once you start holding it under the microscope. Like this series has been going for 16 years and hasn’t actually changed, of course you’re sick of it.
I try my hardest not to be a snobby kinobro, and I like my fair bit of schlock (Psycho Goreman, Dead Snow) alongside my A24s, but every time I see Marvel or DC my brain enters a thoughtloop where it keeps saying “capeshit capeshit capeshit”. It’s a cultural poison, ingrained with Great Manism and state department propaganda. Hot garbage with flashy lights.
I’d like to see something like Immortal Hulk realized on the big screen. Something that actually makes you fucking think rather than shoving the motif of status quo preservation being holy in our faces.
I just watched Dead Snow 2: Red vs. Dead and I recommend it for some goofy nonsense fun. Nazi zombies have risen and it’s up to our protags to raise a Red Army general who was executed by the Nazis for revenge. Like I said, schlocky, but I appreciated that it pointed out Nazi atrocities against Soviets and didn’t paint the Soviets as the bad guys.
The state department propaganda part definetly shines in any movie or show that comes just a bit too close to being profound. Like in Black Panther where Killmonger and N’jobu did nothing but bring up good points but the friendly CIA agent is brought in to remind us that he’s baaaad.
Probably the most egregious example. I think as well of Civil War, where the conflict that arises is literally over whether superhumans with the ability to kill billions of people should maybe perhaps have a teeny bit of government oversight. All after the Avengers have been found guilty of being responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands! IIIRC; maybe even more. People like to pretend sides were presented (and thusly make it their entire fuckin personality, a la Edward vs Jacob for Twilight), but the whole damn movie wants us to understand that Tony is a little beta cuck willing to bow down to Big Government, whereas Captain Amerikkka is our based big boy PatrioticTM libertarian. Throw Captain Marvel basically being an extended U.S. Air Force advertisement on toppa that shit pile, too.
People like to say Thanos did nothing wrong, and some of us rightfully say that Thanos should have just doubled the resources or installed multiverse-wide communism. I’m starting to wonder if Thanos isn’t literally what the writers of this garbage think of actual communists. Killing people, but for equality, and that’s bad and just like Stalin! Blegh.
tbf Thanos’s objective and the means with which he planned to achieve it never made sense regardless of the angle you look at it from
or in falcon and the winter soldier.
the “bad guys” want refugees to have rights, and the only way to convince the audience of them being evil is having them kill an american soldier on screen while the leader says “it had to be done”
and when the show comes to term with the fact that they were objectively not evil and their requeste made sense, they have falcon write a strongly worded letter to mr. local politician. you know, the REAL way to protest and achieve change.
a loooooooooooot of marvel productions follow this blueprint of “hi, i am the bad guy, i want free lunches in schools, abortion rights, and an end to racism. Oh, i also kill baby seals as a hobby”
mfw they’re called Flagsmashers hahahaha
yeah ok “Dead snow” is a fucking masterpiece, thank you very much. You want me to believe a movie about zombie red army soldiers fighting zombie nazis is “schlock?”
You’re absolutely right.