It’s not just “psyops” how can you not see that? There is literally no political opposition in the country anymore. It is far right regime that has shut down all opposition and created a scenario in which anyone that isn’t remotely in line with exactly what the regime wants now ends up on an assassination list.
Dismissing it as just “psyops” is a defence of a very clear and inarguable act of fascist terror. By dismissing it we would be normalising the act of putting people on assassination lists for saying extremely mild things that a government dislikes.
Ukraine is acting worse than Israel and people are actively defending and normalising it.
Ukraine now gets a free pass for literally everything because HURR DURR RUSSIA BAD! That was made official when Amnesty retracted their report about unethical Ukranian war tactics this month because people freaked out that they would DARE criticise anything about Ukraine. I’m convinced that they can literally open up an extermination camp for Russian POWs with gas chambers and the West will find a way to spin that as either “they need it to defeat Russia” or “Russians are even worse so that makes it okay”, you know, the arguments they used to smear the Amnesty report.
And these are the people who accuse us (socialists) of “whataboutism”.
Having a choice between the Ukrainians and the Russian Empire (self-certified genocidal and literally fascist project) I still chose Ukrainians. Let alone the fact that my place is in the pipeline for Russian invasion, just after Moldova and Prybaltyka.
Every Russian politician, oligarch, soldier, agent, troll or useful idiot stopped or scared away by the Ukrainians is one less to deal with, when our time comes.
This is a private news outlet. Not the Russian state.
It does not support your position that they are “self certified genocidal” and "fascist. What you have linked to quite explicitly states “the people are good, the government is bad”.
You are committing a form of soft holocaust denial when you misuse the term genocide to describe something that is objectively not a genocide. It’s extremely offensive to actual victims of genocide and very damaging when we have to raise the issue of real genocides.
The holocaust has nothing to do with this. In fact, its kind of funny that you brijg it up, because the holocaust is treated as the worst genocide ever, when the vast majority of people killed by Nazi Germany were ethnic slavs and Russians.
Distorting the meaning of the term genocide is well recognised as soft holocaust denial and stating this just shows how little you have ever read about the topic of holocaust denial and the muddying of the meaning of the word genocide.
and the term “soft holocaust denial” is complete nonsense.
I think you need to learn where the origin of the word genocide comes from. The word was developed in direct response to the holocaust by Raphäel Lemkin in 1944. The word did not exist before then.
You can not disconnect the word genocide from its origin as a word that was specifically created to prevent people from being able to deny the holocaust, a huge amount of effort was put into making sure the holocaust would be extremely difficult to revise and/or forget by contorting it into something other than what it was.
When you misuse it, you are directly taking part in misusing an important word in describing and defending the holocaust, developed specifically for the purposes of preventing holocaust denial.
It is an action the helps holocaust deniers by changing the meaning of the word genocide. It is soft holocaust denial.
I really don’t think that’s a constructive response to someone pointing out you’re doing soft holocaust denial. It’s pretty concerning behaviour actually. Weakening and misusing words like genocide and fascism actively helps fascists.
Either be accepted as a trusted source of knowledge or insight
This is a very liberal attitude. CNN is a “trusted source of knowledge or insight” to millions of people but should it be? Absolutely fucking not.
The merit of what is being said and the evidence presented stands on its own, regardless of the source it is coming from. You should just content on merit, not on institutions and positions with manufactured prestige.
This whole mindset is what leads people to blindly believing anything they see from xyz source even when those sources put out mountains and mountains of absolute bullshit all the time.
In this very thread you have lied more than once, linking to content from russian state media with the claim that it says something it does not. That is a fact and not at all “ad hominem”. Debatebro rubbish also became cringe at least a decade ago.
This was Google translated, but I think it gets the same meaning:
Further denazification of this mass of the population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship
If I am anticipating your line of thought correctly, this quote should clarify and disproves that this journalist wants to kill the Ukrainian population. That is a bald-faced lie. On top of that, this is an opinion piece in the news. State run or not, it is not an official position of the Russian government.
What you are doing here is a form of gish-galloping. If I had the capacity to debunk everyone who says “Russia is committing genocide!” (of which there are countless), then I should be the UN’s top investigator. Maybe bring up a specific example?
But what’s funny is even in that article, at least three people, including the Senior Legal Counsel of the Human Rights Watch are quoted saying that the evidence for genocide is insufficient.
Their thinking is theirs, as well. I neither impose my perspective, nor accept other views at a face value. One need to earn my respect and trust first.
Do you know what thread you are in? This thread changed the topic from Pink Floyd to whether or not Russia is self-admittedly genocidal. So if you want to go back to Pink Floyd, you are changing the topic again.
I answered your question. The document I linked convinced me that Russian Federation has clear intent to wipe out Ukrainians as an ethnic and political entity. 8 months later, an in context of “genocide checklist” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide) compared with Russian actions and propaganda, I am even more convinced.
Mind the fact that I present my perspective and factors that influenced it, not any kind of absolute truth. So feel free to ignore it.
As for the interpretation, it is your job, not mine. As you can see in this sub-thread, the same documents can bring various conclusions, depending on the mind, doing interpretation.
It’s not just “psyops” how can you not see that? There is literally no political opposition in the country anymore. It is far right regime that has shut down all opposition and created a scenario in which anyone that isn’t remotely in line with exactly what the regime wants now ends up on an assassination list.
Dismissing it as just “psyops” is a defence of a very clear and inarguable act of fascist terror. By dismissing it we would be normalising the act of putting people on assassination lists for saying extremely mild things that a government dislikes.
Ukraine is acting worse than Israel and people are actively defending and normalising it.
Ukraine now gets a free pass for literally everything because HURR DURR RUSSIA BAD! That was made official when Amnesty retracted their report about unethical Ukranian war tactics this month because people freaked out that they would DARE criticise anything about Ukraine. I’m convinced that they can literally open up an extermination camp for Russian POWs with gas chambers and the West will find a way to spin that as either “they need it to defeat Russia” or “Russians are even worse so that makes it okay”, you know, the arguments they used to smear the Amnesty report.
And these are the people who accuse us (socialists) of “whataboutism”.
I respect your perspective, even if I do not share it.
Having a choice between the Ukrainians and the Russian Empire (self-certified genocidal and literally fascist project) I still chose Ukrainians. Let alone the fact that my place is in the pipeline for Russian invasion, just after Moldova and Prybaltyka.
Every Russian politician, oligarch, soldier, agent, troll or useful idiot stopped or scared away by the Ukrainians is one less to deal with, when our time comes.
When did this happen?
Latest version I know, 3rd of April, 2022
https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-1781469605.html
This is a private news outlet. Not the Russian state.
It does not support your position that they are “self certified genocidal” and "fascist. What you have linked to quite explicitly states “the people are good, the government is bad”.
You are committing a form of soft holocaust denial when you misuse the term genocide to describe something that is objectively not a genocide. It’s extremely offensive to actual victims of genocide and very damaging when we have to raise the issue of real genocides.
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The holocaust has nothing to do with this. In fact, its kind of funny that you brijg it up, because the holocaust is treated as the worst genocide ever, when the vast majority of people killed by Nazi Germany were ethnic slavs and Russians.
Distorting the meaning of the term genocide is well recognised as soft holocaust denial and stating this just shows how little you have ever read about the topic of holocaust denial and the muddying of the meaning of the word genocide.
I dont care what you and your buddies have recognized, and the term “soft holocaust denial” is complete nonsense.
It’s a real term whether you think it’s nonsense or not
I think you need to learn where the origin of the word genocide comes from. The word was developed in direct response to the holocaust by Raphäel Lemkin in 1944. The word did not exist before then.
You can not disconnect the word genocide from its origin as a word that was specifically created to prevent people from being able to deny the holocaust, a huge amount of effort was put into making sure the holocaust would be extremely difficult to revise and/or forget by contorting it into something other than what it was.
When you misuse it, you are directly taking part in misusing an important word in describing and defending the holocaust, developed specifically for the purposes of preventing holocaust denial.
It is an action the helps holocaust deniers by changing the meaning of the word genocide. It is soft holocaust denial.
Most Jews in Polish territory back then were of Polish nationality.
Sue me.
I really don’t think that’s a constructive response to someone pointing out you’re doing soft holocaust denial. It’s pretty concerning behaviour actually. Weakening and misusing words like genocide and fascism actively helps fascists.
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This is a very liberal attitude. CNN is a “trusted source of knowledge or insight” to millions of people but should it be? Absolutely fucking not.
The merit of what is being said and the evidence presented stands on its own, regardless of the source it is coming from. You should just content on merit, not on institutions and positions with manufactured prestige.
This whole mindset is what leads people to blindly believing anything they see from xyz source even when those sources put out mountains and mountains of absolute bullshit all the time.
In this very thread you have lied more than once, linking to content from russian state media with the claim that it says something it does not. That is a fact and not at all “ad hominem”. Debatebro rubbish also became cringe at least a decade ago.
“If you want to change MY mind you gotta be an authority figure or threaten me!” — a free thinker
This was Google translated, but I think it gets the same meaning:
If I am anticipating your line of thought correctly, this quote should clarify and disproves that this journalist wants to kill the Ukrainian population. That is a bald-faced lie. On top of that, this is an opinion piece in the news. State run or not, it is not an official position of the Russian government.
I never confront a guy pointing a gun in my direction. ;-) So think whatever you wish to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source. I think you bought some kind of bs and you refuse to see how backwards it has you thinking.
Your thinking is yours, obviously. I have no problem with it.
What you are doing here is a form of gish-galloping. If I had the capacity to debunk everyone who says “Russia is committing genocide!” (of which there are countless), then I should be the UN’s top investigator. Maybe bring up a specific example?
But what’s funny is even in that article, at least three people, including the Senior Legal Counsel of the Human Rights Watch are quoted saying that the evidence for genocide is insufficient.
Their thinking is theirs, as well. I neither impose my perspective, nor accept other views at a face value. One need to earn my respect and trust first.
Neither are https://myrotvorets.center/ statements official position of the Ukrainian government.
So, either both or none…
I’ve never heard of this website so seems like an unrelated whataboutism.
Mate, the whole OP is about that site. Are you sure you know what thread you are in?
Do you know what thread you are in? This thread changed the topic from Pink Floyd to whether or not Russia is self-admittedly genocidal. So if you want to go back to Pink Floyd, you are changing the topic again.
What am I looking for in here?
I answered your question. The document I linked convinced me that Russian Federation has clear intent to wipe out Ukrainians as an ethnic and political entity. 8 months later, an in context of “genocide checklist” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide) compared with Russian actions and propaganda, I am even more convinced.
Mind the fact that I present my perspective and factors that influenced it, not any kind of absolute truth. So feel free to ignore it.
I can’t read Russian. Which paragraph describes the genocidal intent?
Here’s an English translation, if Google or Yandex doesn’t work for you. https://uacrisis.org/en/justification-of-genocide-russia-has-openly-declared-its-desire-to-exterminate-ukrainians-as-a-nation
As for the interpretation, it is your job, not mine. As you can see in this sub-thread, the same documents can bring various conclusions, depending on the mind, doing interpretation.
I understand that. But which part of it do you think confesses genocidal intent?