A bunch of others are saying how they support Palestine but dislike Hamas or want a two state solution. There’s even a patsoc saying everyone should be allowed to live on whatever land they already are on. Basically “might makes right.”

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    By these people’s logic China shouldn’t have stood up to Japan because they weren’t socialist yet. “National Capitalist vs International Imperialist? I see no difference”

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      So much of the 20th century Communist revolts were propelled by anti-colonialism. One could sincerely make the “Communism has never been tried” argument by defining all these resistance movements as simple Soviet flavored nationalism.

      At some point, it just becomes a weird neoliberal argument against self-determination. Socialism isn’t even a part of it.

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        It will always be absurd to me how people think socialism can happen in the US without decolonization when decolonization is synonymous with socialism throughout most of it’s history.

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          Decolonization within the US is definitely a thing that could happen in our future. Prison riots. Climate refugees. Agriculture worker uprisings.

          They’re all on the frontier.

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        I’ve never understood why anyone would say that communism was never tried. Socialism has been tried and built (and its a pretty robust system), but don’t you need a hegemony of world socialist powers as a prerequisite to establish communism?

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          You’d need some kind of big continent spanning union of Soviet states. And when has that ever happened? :P

          I more mean that all these countries were emergent from the colonial system and loaded up with historical baggage. They were transitional projects.

          In the same way a handful of Dutch joint stock companies paled beside modern mega-corps, the states of Cuba and Vietnam are only beginning an experiment that won’t be fully realized for centuries.