Seems like copium is finally running low.
Jokes aside though, we’ve suspected numbers like this for a long time, but seeing them confirmed like this is shocking. Western delusions and chauvinism are murdering Ukrainians at an industrial rate. Being Western estimates they’re probably still lowballed as well.
Can’t find it right now, but iirc the BBC today reported Russia - excluding the PRs - suffered about 3.5k deaths total in 4 months. Still tragic, but Ukraine’s suffering that every every 3 weeks tops. Insanity.
Honestly, the result like that was obvious since the beginning. Wars of that scale never can go with only a couple of people killed a day. The only question was - how many exactly.
Oh for sure. Everyone with half a brain, so literally anyone not rabidly cheering for Ukraine, knew this was happening from day 1 and that this would the cost of Western arms supplies dragging out this slaughter. The only people cheering for this were dumb as libs “supporting Ukraine”. Even staunchly pro-russian channels were aware of this tragedy and had more compassion for these losses than Western libs.
Still shocking seeing these numbers confirmed imo. 20,000+ entirely pointless causalties per month is just staggering. And the worst is still to come in the closing Donbass cauldron.
Let’s not forget civilian casualties too. No matter how careful you are (and nazis are clearly not) civilians will get blown up on mines, die of diseases and lack of basic goods such as medicine and food. We won’t know how many actually were lost there for a long time. Probably a lot more than the whole population of Donbass.
Absolutely true. It’s worth mentioning though that, from what we know so far, this war has seen exceptionally low civilian casualties compared to the scale of the conflict. Close to a million people under arms involved in this war, massive artillery barrages, lots of urban combat, hundreds of missile and air strikes across the country. Yet even the Ukrainian Prosecuter Generals Office today published about 280 children have died since the war started (no idea if they counted those in the PRs) and some 500 injured. Now every single one of them is a tragedy and one too many. It’s still almost unbelievably low in a war like this. And I’ve seen this number float around for some weeks now, so it isn’t really rising apparently.
This also illustrates just how fucking deadly sanctions are. A couple months or years of sanctions are orders of magnitude more deadly. Almost 4 months of conventional war, urban war with hundreds of thousands of fighters - 280 dead. A couple years of sanctions - 500,000 dead.
Unfortunately that likely means the worst and deadliest time is still to come for Ukraine due to the material disintegration of the country’s infrastructure and economy. The food, medicine shortages you mentioned will be the real killer and we all know the West will spend a minuscule amount to relieve those compared to the insane arms supplies now.
It btw also shows how little regard the US has for civilian lives in its wars.
I seriously doubt Ukrainian data, especially considering that they never had the chance to count anything in Mariupol. This one whole city was the hottest point of clash and there were many, very many civilians who got in-between clashing sides just because they had no chance to evacuate safely for the most part.