I agree. I’m just talking about how Social Democrats at least on paper recognize some of the problems of capitalism. They just downplay them, which is a step above standard neoliberals. They just don’t follow it to the logical conclusion. I would consider Demsocs to be a bit better than SocDems, but in my opinion the difference between SocDems and socialists should be or seems to be a bigger relative jump than between DemSocs and socialists. Maybe I’m phrasing this wrong.

Because with Democratic Socialism, you already have a foot in the door, and with SocDems, its a way bigger jump.