There’s lots of great American-made media, but Hamilton is good only as a dirge for American liberalism.
I can’t believe I had a so-called progressive recently tell me it was valuable for “representation.” What a sick fucking joke, that a play that has every ability to include a person of color anywhere in its depiction of the dictatorship of slavers that was early anglo-America, but it simply doesn’t. It’s not like they didn’t have occasions to do so, but I guess LMM decided that it would sour the tone of Jefferson returning to America if Sally Hemings was with him! Then, you might actually need to think about something instead of just having the eternal recapitulation of liberalism’s triumph over monarchy. Also let’s just explicitly pretend Hamilton was an abolitionist so people don’t feel bad about the endless mill of human suffering we’re ignoring.
He said in an interview that he had originally intended for there to be at least a minor debate about slavery, but when he tried to write it out it didn’t really go anywhere because, you know, they all supported slavery. I don’t remember exactly how he phrased it, but it was very funny because it seemed like a glimpse of almost getting the horror of this thing he lionizes, explained in terms of being dramatically unsatisfying.
I was talking about this today with a friend. Our local protest had a few Mexican flags, and I remarked that I wish more Americans knew literally anything about Mexican history.
It’s not a communist paradise or anything, but it has had a much more consistently radical history than the US. And I think that knowledge of their neighbor might disabuse at least some people of their liberal delusions
I wish more Americans knew literally anything about Mexican history.
Parts of the US were stolen from Mexico. As the saying goes: “Hispanics didn’t move here. The border did.” You have a bunch of mayonnaise-Americans living in cities named shit like “Los Angeles,” “San Antonio,” or “Albuquerque” and they have the gall to want Latine people gone. Or the Native Americans who have lived there for thousands of years.
That too! Tbh, I kinda think the FRSO is cooking (despite their otherwise revisionist stance on the national question), with their line on self-determination for Atzlan. The parts of Mexico we stole as Constituting an internal colony that fits the Marxist definition of a nation, like the Black Belt.
It’s really under theorized in the American left, and I think that’s a big blind spot for the left, given how much of an exploited, peripheral, population that Hispanics are in this country.
This was a huge one for me personally, and likely a lot of at least white, raised middle class leftists. Took awhile to eschew that there was anything salvagable in the genocide-and-slaves country. Like just seeing the flag about, or on clothes I just assume that person is a fascist lol
What opened your eyes? I feel like it should be very simple and straightforward: if you consider all humans’ lives equally valuable, then you hate the USA for murdering millions of people in its wars. This is what “radicalized” me although I think it’s absurd to call my position of knowing that mass murder is wrong “radical” or “extreme”.
And yet, here is how interactions have gone for me:
Me: mass murder bad. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: competent actors are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: America has started many wars and as a result many people died, both directly by American weapons and also indirectly by the effects of war. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: therefore America is an evil mass murdering entity and the enemy of every decent person in the world. Right?
Libs and conservatives: well HOLD ON NOW (gibberish, bullshit, going quiet and not engaging, anything to avoid pitting reality against their beliefs and seeing which one wins)
I also thought America was good when I was a very young child. Then I saw America murder a bunch of innocent civilians on the news and grew out of such childish unreality. Since it is so obvious I just don’t know what to do when I tell people the truth and they refuse to get the point. It feels like nothing works.
I know for me it was a combination of learning US history, always having leftist tendencies when I was a child, working blue collar jobs, and the final nail in the coffin was Occupy Wallstreet/Obama administration. The consistent thing across these experiences was how so-called liberals were often just as bad, if not worse, than conservatives. I understood, though, that the solution to liberalism isn’t to go right, but to go further left.
The lack of solidarity among Occupy protesters with working class people and the killing of Abdul al-Awlaki really pissed me off. Then I thought to myself “If liberals are like this now, what the fuck were they like in 1962, 1859, and 1775?”
the moment that Amerifash jerk off about about most, D-Day and the US war in western Europe, was motivated more by base anticommunism than any ethical concern
The biggest bullshit hurdle the US has to overcome is the idea that their country was ever ethical or something to be proud of
That’ll never happen as long as people are getting their education from Broadway musicals.
maybe controversial opinion but fuck Hamilton. In fact, fuck all American-made media
brave af comrade
probably the coldest take on this website
There’s lots of great American-made media, but Hamilton is good only as a dirge for American liberalism.
I can’t believe I had a so-called progressive recently tell me it was valuable for “representation.” What a sick fucking joke, that a play that has every ability to include a person of color anywhere in its depiction of the dictatorship of slavers that was early anglo-America, but it simply doesn’t. It’s not like they didn’t have occasions to do so, but I guess LMM decided that it would sour the tone of Jefferson returning to America if Sally Hemings was with him! Then, you might actually need to think about something instead of just having the eternal recapitulation of liberalism’s triumph over monarchy. Also let’s just explicitly pretend Hamilton was an abolitionist so people don’t feel bad about the endless mill of human suffering we’re ignoring.
He said in an interview that he had originally intended for there to be at least a minor debate about slavery, but when he tried to write it out it didn’t really go anywhere because, you know, they all supported slavery. I don’t remember exactly how he phrased it, but it was very funny because it seemed like a glimpse of almost getting the horror of this thing he lionizes, explained in terms of being dramatically unsatisfying.
Hamilton is so cringe. Libs have bad taste in musicals.
Even the punk rock?
I was talking about this today with a friend. Our local protest had a few Mexican flags, and I remarked that I wish more Americans knew literally anything about Mexican history.
It’s not a communist paradise or anything, but it has had a much more consistently radical history than the US. And I think that knowledge of their neighbor might disabuse at least some people of their liberal delusions
When I was in Oaxaca, there was an exhibit of women in Mexican history and I was blown away by how many were strapped in their portraits, e.g.,
pic goes hard
Parts of the US were stolen from Mexico. As the saying goes: “Hispanics didn’t move here. The border did.” You have a bunch of mayonnaise-Americans living in cities named shit like “Los Angeles,” “San Antonio,” or “Albuquerque” and they have the gall to want Latine people gone. Or the Native Americans who have lived there for thousands of years.
That too! Tbh, I kinda think the FRSO is cooking (despite their otherwise revisionist stance on the national question), with their line on self-determination for Atzlan. The parts of Mexico we stole as Constituting an internal colony that fits the Marxist definition of a nation, like the Black Belt.
It’s really under theorized in the American left, and I think that’s a big blind spot for the left, given how much of an exploited, peripheral, population that Hispanics are in this country.
Any reading recs for mexican history?
This was a huge one for me personally, and likely a lot of at least white, raised middle class leftists. Took awhile to eschew that there was anything salvagable in the genocide-and-slaves country. Like just seeing the flag about, or on clothes I just assume that person is a fascist lol
What opened your eyes? I feel like it should be very simple and straightforward: if you consider all humans’ lives equally valuable, then you hate the USA for murdering millions of people in its wars. This is what “radicalized” me although I think it’s absurd to call my position of knowing that mass murder is wrong “radical” or “extreme”.
And yet, here is how interactions have gone for me:
Me: mass murder bad. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: competent actors are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: America has started many wars and as a result many people died, both directly by American weapons and also indirectly by the effects of war. Right?
Libs and conservatives: right.
Me: therefore America is an evil mass murdering entity and the enemy of every decent person in the world. Right?
Libs and conservatives: well HOLD ON NOW (gibberish, bullshit, going quiet and not engaging, anything to avoid pitting reality against their beliefs and seeing which one wins)
I also thought America was good when I was a very young child. Then I saw America murder a bunch of innocent civilians on the news and grew out of such childish unreality. Since it is so obvious I just don’t know what to do when I tell people the truth and they refuse to get the point. It feels like nothing works.
I know for me it was a combination of learning US history, always having leftist tendencies when I was a child, working blue collar jobs, and the final nail in the coffin was Occupy Wallstreet/Obama administration. The consistent thing across these experiences was how so-called liberals were often just as bad, if not worse, than conservatives. I understood, though, that the solution to liberalism isn’t to go right, but to go further left.
The lack of solidarity among Occupy protesters with working class people and the killing of Abdul al-Awlaki really pissed me off. Then I thought to myself “If liberals are like this now, what the fuck were they like in 1962, 1859, and 1775?”
it’s no different to a swastika or an “israeli” flag tbh
the moment that Amerifash jerk off about about most, D-Day and the US war in western Europe, was motivated more by base anticommunism than any ethical concern
W. E. B. Du Bois was pretty cool but thats about it