You’re assuming that the situation would be orderly enough for buying to still be possible - for the internet to still be accessible and online, the power grid itself to be still working, drinking water not to be contaminated and even emergency radio to be active. Most of all - the need to arm oneself, with the implicit expectation to win any confrontation.
You and I are both guilty of relying on media portrayals of a societal collapse - the likelihood everything would go according to expectations is probably nil.
Good thinking & nicely structured, but I live in a city so I’m getting flashbanged on day 1 before the first nuke memes reach me (that is how I get my news).
I have a whole freezer full of dried out workout powder stuff already. Probably enough to last a whole year for me and my bf. I also have a ton of potato seed tuber things and I’m very good at making bucket potatoes 💅
But yeah idgaf about prepping for this shit if every country gets in on it then its a coin flip if you live or not unless you live in a bunker 24/7. There’s also a very likely chance that society will devolve and re-evolve very quickly by gigantic paramilitary groups forming and duking it out. Anything any one prepper can do in that situation is limited.
The real prepping is getting a bunch of commie friends good at shooting guns
This isn’t really true, hydroponics can be done outside and on windowsills using the Kratky method en masse and for very cheap. I have a small wind power setup that adds light near my windowsill. I live in an apartment and have a little spinny thing outside on the porch, the light is indirect for my potatoes so I really needed something extra and had no power outlets nearby. Micro wind setups suck for powering your whole house but are fantastic for powering low power draw lights in low light areas. I’m high up enough and the little spinny thing connects to a battery, seems to be enough to keep my potatoes happy despite the shade.
The best solution for farming in this situation is obviously to set up a bunch of light towers on nuclear, gas, and wind power but who knows how long itd take for people to catch on to that, sensible governments like China would certainly mobilize this sort of thing and ration energy for it. The massive temperature swings would definitely pick up a lot of wind.
This is good advice, but I live near several major military installations and a major urban centre. My plan for this scenario is to bend over, place my head firmly between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
In the case of a limited exchange I’m quite sceptical of the study that suggested the ash would cause significant global cooling for a prolonged period of time (5 years+). I think they overestimate both the amount of ash and particulates generated and the amount of time it would remain in the upper atmosphere, alongside the extent of the resulting fires.
The eruption that caused the year without summer had hundreds of times the explosive force of the entire Indian and Pakistani arsenal combined and threw almost 200 cubic kilometres of ash and tephra very high into the atmosphere. It was an event on an entirely different scale.
No, I do get that, but the emissions from extensive fires across the region are still substantially different from what you’d see in the kind of event we have seen produce actual global cooling events like the 1815 eruption.
I’m willing to believe that it’s possible, but I think the initial study suggesting it could happen makes some overly broad assumptions and I’ve seen subsequent studies fail to reach the same conclusion with similar analysis.
Can I recommend also, should you ever find yourself in this situation to think of others too. If you are selfless enough to care about your neighbour’s life more than your own; even about the lives of people you haven’t met; or more easily, how about the children near you; what a wonderful thing! If you can care enough to share what you get your hands on, and be as little prejudiced as possible to others looking for food (e.g. in that first panicked rush), though you’re scared of running out yourself, that’s so good!
But not just for the love you have for your fellow (wo)man. For society: if most people act generously and kindly, and with restraint, then everyone benefits, including yourself.
If you can survive the initial wave itll be a lot easier to survive going forward from that. At that point get in touch with other survivors and start growing food.
You all can have fun with that, best of luck, but if shit gets that bad I’m killing myself.
I’ve been depressed and suicidal for a long time. I’m tired. I’m also trans. I don’t know any trans people irl and am not sure how I’d find them. No hormones right now either. I need access to healthcare. tbh this site is the only thing keeping me half sane.
Also I think you underestimate how difficult farming etc is going to be. Especially with climate change and a break down of infrastructure. Collapse is going to be awful and I can’t deal with any more awfulness.
knowing my luck, I’ll end up sleeping through the nuclear apocalypse.
But on that first point, it’s a good idea to spend a little extra each time you go shopping (just $5-10 if you can afford it) to grab some emergency canned food. It’s how I managed to save up a stockpile. Much better than rushing out and panic buying at the same time as everyone else. It’ll be a bloodbath.
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You’re assuming that the situation would be orderly enough for buying to still be possible - for the internet to still be accessible and online, the power grid itself to be still working, drinking water not to be contaminated and even emergency radio to be active. Most of all - the need to arm oneself, with the implicit expectation to win any confrontation.
You and I are both guilty of relying on media portrayals of a societal collapse - the likelihood everything would go according to expectations is probably nil.
I don’t think this “barricade your doors, every man for himself” thing is how you’d survive. You need the community.
Yup. Even thinking cynically, those organized in groups will be able to deprive the individualists of their stockpiles.
Working together is always the winning strategy.
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You ain’t surviving shit in such a situation. I’m not either - that’s guaranteed though.
In the case it actually does happen and you succeed - enjoy your survivalist fantasy.
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Good thinking & nicely structured, but I live in a city so I’m getting flashbanged on day 1 before the first nuke memes reach me (that is how I get my news).
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I have a whole freezer full of dried out workout powder stuff already. Probably enough to last a whole year for me and my bf. I also have a ton of potato seed tuber things and I’m very good at making bucket potatoes 💅
But yeah idgaf about prepping for this shit if every country gets in on it then its a coin flip if you live or not unless you live in a bunker 24/7. There’s also a very likely chance that society will devolve and re-evolve very quickly by gigantic paramilitary groups forming and duking it out. Anything any one prepper can do in that situation is limited.
The real prepping is getting a bunch of commie friends good at shooting guns
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Oh yeah thats probably true. Get good at hydroponics. Fun fact you can make your own hydroponics juice with charred wood
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This isn’t really true, hydroponics can be done outside and on windowsills using the Kratky method en masse and for very cheap. I have a small wind power setup that adds light near my windowsill. I live in an apartment and have a little spinny thing outside on the porch, the light is indirect for my potatoes so I really needed something extra and had no power outlets nearby. Micro wind setups suck for powering your whole house but are fantastic for powering low power draw lights in low light areas. I’m high up enough and the little spinny thing connects to a battery, seems to be enough to keep my potatoes happy despite the shade.
The best solution for farming in this situation is obviously to set up a bunch of light towers on nuclear, gas, and wind power but who knows how long itd take for people to catch on to that, sensible governments like China would certainly mobilize this sort of thing and ration energy for it. The massive temperature swings would definitely pick up a lot of wind.
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This is good advice, but I live near several major military installations and a major urban centre. My plan for this scenario is to bend over, place my head firmly between my legs and kiss my ass goodbye.
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Not just the mass famine, but the panic first
In the case of a limited exchange I’m quite sceptical of the study that suggested the ash would cause significant global cooling for a prolonged period of time (5 years+). I think they overestimate both the amount of ash and particulates generated and the amount of time it would remain in the upper atmosphere, alongside the extent of the resulting fires.
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The eruption that caused the year without summer had hundreds of times the explosive force of the entire Indian and Pakistani arsenal combined and threw almost 200 cubic kilometres of ash and tephra very high into the atmosphere. It was an event on an entirely different scale.
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No, I do get that, but the emissions from extensive fires across the region are still substantially different from what you’d see in the kind of event we have seen produce actual global cooling events like the 1815 eruption.
I’m willing to believe that it’s possible, but I think the initial study suggesting it could happen makes some overly broad assumptions and I’ve seen subsequent studies fail to reach the same conclusion with similar analysis.
Can I recommend also, should you ever find yourself in this situation to think of others too. If you are selfless enough to care about your neighbour’s life more than your own; even about the lives of people you haven’t met; or more easily, how about the children near you; what a wonderful thing! If you can care enough to share what you get your hands on, and be as little prejudiced as possible to others looking for food (e.g. in that first panicked rush), though you’re scared of running out yourself, that’s so good!
But not just for the love you have for your fellow (wo)man. For society: if most people act generously and kindly, and with restraint, then everyone benefits, including yourself.
Excellent write up, food and water are really the critical thing to focus on in the immediate aftermath.
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You all can have fun with that, best of luck, but if shit gets that bad I’m killing myself.
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I’ve been depressed and suicidal for a long time. I’m tired. I’m also trans. I don’t know any trans people irl and am not sure how I’d find them. No hormones right now either. I need access to healthcare. tbh this site is the only thing keeping me half sane.
Also I think you underestimate how difficult farming etc is going to be. Especially with climate change and a break down of infrastructure. Collapse is going to be awful and I can’t deal with any more awfulness.
cw mental health, self-harm
I’m thinking about it while everything is still “fine”
knowing my luck, I’ll end up sleeping through the nuclear apocalypse.
But on that first point, it’s a good idea to spend a little extra each time you go shopping (just $5-10 if you can afford it) to grab some emergency canned food. It’s how I managed to save up a stockpile. Much better than rushing out and panic buying at the same time as everyone else. It’ll be a bloodbath.