• Black_Mald_Futures [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    29·
    30 days ago

    I remember when reddit used to post this shit instead of “vote for our senile old war criminal or you’re voting for the other side”

    reddit libs are blind for not seeing how astroturfed the site became after 2016

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    22·
    30 days ago

    Yet every election will have a new fearmonger to whip people into voting. Project 2025 is the current flavor of doomsday. People really believe Trump winning will cause mobs of people crashing down their doors and killing them like it’s the 1800’s and the White League has returned.

  • Greenleaf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    15·
    29 days ago

    I have witnessed this happen in my lifetime in regards to immigration (just for one example). 15-20 years ago, there was actual discussion about giving the millions of undocumented workers in the US a path to citizenship. Even if it was all insincere, politicians didn’t see it as a political liability to bring it up as a possibility. Even W seemed to be open to it. Then the racist chuds in this country decided to really dig their heels in on it in the years leading up to the 2016 election. Obama IIRC started avoiding the topic in his second term. Hillary - instead of trying to contrast herself to Trump - just avoided the issue as well. Fast forward to now, and you have a situation where the Dems have not only embraced the idea if not the concrete reality of “build the wall”, but as the GOP is running on a campaign of “deport all illegals” (seriously, watch some of these GOP primary ads this election cycle, seems to be all they talk about), the Dems are highlighted the Biden/Harris track record of being “tough” on immigrants and bragging about just how many people they’ve turned back at the border.

  • Roonerino [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    15·
    29 days ago

    I see your point and normally I agree with you but this election is different because the “the right” is so much further to the right than they’ve ever been before. We just need to defeat Trump this one more time to restore normalcy to politics again first so that you have the privilege of there being elections to complain about at all.

    VOTE.

    You guys like my new character?

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      302·
      30 days ago

      You somehow successfully fused smuglord and maybe-later-honey maybe-later-kiddo and bootlicker into a single post.

      Congratulations! You’re the most insufferably smug liberal of the day! joker-amerikkklap

    • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]English
      14·
      30 days ago

      You’re allowed to vote if it’s convenient to do so, but unless you’re unironically a Chulthu for President supporter, you’re not ever going to address the root cause of the problem (capitalism) through electoralism

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      30 days ago

      The two options are to work for the longterm so that things get better or to NOT work for the longterm and ensure things get worse no matter what.

      You are currently choosing the option of guaranteeing that things get worse. You even seem to know this is the case as you didn’t refute it, so why is it that you can’t seem to commit to working for making things better longterm? Is it like some sort of denial thing or what?

    • Cowbee [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      11·
      29 days ago

      Vote for whoever you genuinely want to. The point of this meme is that voting for the lesser evil consistently results in greater evil, hence the whole “most important election of our lives!” Bit.

      This does not mean the answer is to vote for the greater evil or to not vote, this does mean that the answer lies outside the realm of electoralism.

      Reform does not work. You cannot convince the ruling class to simply stop acting in their class interests. Instead, organize, and build up dual power. When Revolution comes, and it will come, this is the way to make sure fascism doesn’t take root.

      • unmagical@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        29 days ago

        I’m surprised it took this long to get a competent reply. I understand this. I’m engaged in mutual aid work and education within my community, and while voting isn’t going to solve anything by itself, it’s still a tool of political action that should be utilized. Less evil will ALWAYS be better than more evil, but because I made a quip highlighting a disengenuous ommission instead of a thesis …

        • Cowbee [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          4·
          29 days ago

          Has anyone here argued for voting for the greater evil? You didn’t comment a “gotcha,” the point of this meme is to highlight a problem with the liberal “solution” of continuous right-wing sliding. Voting for the greater evil is irrelevant, and not voting doesn’t change the dynamic, the point is that none of the choices within the framework of electoralism solve the underlying problems to begin with.

        • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]English
          2·
          29 days ago

          We were all already saying this. The danger in your top-level comment is that it legitimizes electoralism as a solution, when it is at best a band-aid.

          Even the original post you claim has a disingenuous omission doesn’t say “keep voting for the right so we can descend into fascism even faster”