They killed negotiators as well, and there’s a possibility that they’d kill V.Zelensky if he (re)joined Belarus and Russia at the expense of their european “dream”.

If i’m cynical, and pretend that we can know the future(, afghans and many others, including separatists during colonization, or communists during the Cold War, proved that some impossible fights can be won despite the odds) :

• If palestinians can win, then they will take back their land, and the jewish dream of rebuilding the Jerusalem’s temple will disappear. Jews will still be able to live on these lands, but not with their own laws(, an ethnostate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s a preservation of diversity).
• If palestinians can’t win, then they should do what they can to enable a two-states solution, and in my eyes it’s the right-wing part of israelis politicians that prevented many attempts, at least from what i know. I’ve talked elsewhere of other solutions, but i don’t know. I like the idea of a world united to colonize, e.g., Mars, in order to give it to the whole islamic community in exchange, but i guess that it would be taken even less seriously than giving palestinians a part of Europe or the u.s.a., way better than the one they’re losing, and a one-state solution wouldn’t be the jewish ethnostate israelis want.
  I don’t know, they can’t just submit and die, or lose their land(, without receiving something of equal value), it’s clearly not fair, and hence can/must not be accepted. The palestinian suffering of these last decades is more obvious than the israelis we’re supposed to pity. I don’t see why Israel isn’t satisfied with the lands they already have, i don’t know what palestinians can still do at this point.
• Besides palestinians, if we’re considering a united muslim world, and if it can’t win as well, then it would have preferred if Israel was at its fringes and not in its heart/center, that’s a shard. However, judaism is not a foreign religion, and we’re still talking of a relatively small territory. If there’s no choice, then Israel could perhaps be seen as a way to keep a bond somewhere with the origins of islam.
  Israel will/can never be as important as real (large )countries : the Maghreb, the Arabic peninsula, Türkiye, Persia/Iran, the north of India and even further east and north, the muslim world is so vast that they could afford a shard, even in its heart, and that’d be a bit like a museum, with muslims tourists going to Israel interested to see what people believed in the times of the Prophet, and grateful that we kept a.n originality/curiosity like this one.
  It’d be thinking that they didn’t unilaterally lost a land by agreeing to a “two-states solution” with the borders of 1967, but obtained a weird one in exchange, some kind of relic of the past, a curiosity that the muslim world(, as a whole,) could afford due to its vastness(, unfortunately still not united enough according to me, since they didn’t defend each other in the past, it’s so insulting to criticize them, and say that they shouldn’t be poor, but it’s the fate of many continents, i’ll always bet on them and i hope that they’ll be back stronger than ever soon, e.g., french people would emigrate to Algeria because the salary would be twice the french average, if the world is still as unfair as the current one).

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• If ukrainians can win, they’ll be able to help in destroying/westernizing Russia.
• If they don’t, then i don’t see why it’d be so awful to abandon their n.a.t.o&e.u. desire(, they could even gain more than their territories by uniting with Belarus&Russia again). A frozen conflict has also been mentioned.
  They wouldn’t necessarily have to follow many russian laws, in the same way that european countries have european laws, what they’d only really lose is their ability to help anti-russians, i suppose.
  The history/past(, as well as post-1991 events,), their geographical position, or the concentration of Russia ‘on its west’/‘around Moscow’, are factors that made russians consider that Ukraine would be too dangerous in the hands of enemies(partners?). I’ll add that the population has always been manipulated by the powerful/wealthy and that state entities also had an interest in manipulating ukrainians ; so, while Russia tried its best to manipulate as much as it could, it didn’t succeed.
  Being asked to come back is not the worst sacrifice one could imagine, they were a team after all, it’s such a waste. I know that such a change of side wouldn’t happen overnight so i don’t think it will, it’s only my personal belief it should. They will probably choose to be some kind of demilitarized “buffer state”, and perhaps that links could be created again along the following decades, or russian presidents would fail somehow, and lose Ukraine again.
  Switching to the west despite the bad economic outcomes resulting from listening to us doesn’t make sense either, they made a decision in 1991, because they expected results that weren’t obtained in more than one part. Perhaps that this thing of giving to their citizens companies’ shares could have worked with some more rules, such as not being able to sell them, i.d.k., it’s not people here that would tell they shouldn’t be proud of their past. Before them socialism was only an idea, they proved it worked, and vigorously, they survived but apparently afterwards were promised peace if the Cold War ended.
  Peace with a country won’t happen until its submission, unless we find a way to stop fearing the rise of opponents.

And :

• If israelis can win, they’ll be able to take the lands they want, even from Lebanon why not.
• If they can’t, then there’s no reason to refuse the two-states solution i guess, as well as finding a way to improve their relations with their neighbours, if it’s possible. Perhaps that one day the israeli army would fight against ‘the u.s.a.’/Russia/China/‘a.n african/european country’/… alongside an islamic country in order to defend them.
  The Holy Quran talks with a lot of respect of jewish prophets, religious people should go along well, i clearly don’t believe in some kind of inherent antisemitism in islam(, on the contrary)(, and they obviously wouldn’t care about Israel at all if it was in Europe or the u.s.a. instead). Jewish people will always be people that should convert(, like the samaritans of the past), but they’re not enemies. (Religions were supposedly enough to bring the Kingdom/City of God upon Earth…)

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• If russians can win, they’ll destroy the western part of Ukraine that refuses to join them(, they’ve stopped at the anti-n.a.t.o. part), by putting them on their side, or forcing a part of them to join a european country such as Poland. They’ll also be able to solve the problem of Transnistria.
• If they can’t, then they’ll be destroyed/westernized. It wasn’t great during the 90s, they’ll be dismantled into a few parts by a western support of separatists, and quite a lot of countries would cease to receive their help.

Not a great comment but, i.d.k., tell me if you have a thought about it ?

Yeah :

And they’re talking elsewhere about being/having proud warriors but are only killing disarmed civilians.