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      I know my bar has dropped a lot, but he spoke for an hour and fielded questions. He was pretty damn coherent, and knew what the fuck he was talking about defending his foreign policy decisions, etc. it kinda sucks all of that is boiled down to he said the wrong name.

      I want him to step aside for another candidate. His “bad debate night” was scary as fuck. But this article is ridiculous.

      he spoke confidently on a range of complex issues from the tax code and trade policy to Russia and the Israel-Hamas war.

      BUT…

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        Were you and I watching the same presser? He had moments of brilliance, but his fumbles were apparent throughout the night.

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          I feel like people who said he had a good conference are either

          • back to covering for him or
          • have been caught in the “boiling frog” of Biden’s long decline that they have a warped sense of what people expect from their president.

          I watched maybe half of it. It was painful. He was mumbly. He misspoke. He lost his train of thought. His expressions and body language were stiff and unnatural. Occasionally he remembered some talking points and was able to regurgitate them without messing up too badly.

          If the guy we saw last night was my waiter at a restaurant I would assume my food was going to arrive late, cold, and not be at all what I ordered.

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    Don’t disagree that he’s embarrassingly old, but the gaffes were always part of the deal with Biden, going back to the 1990s.

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    Run Harris. Run Newsom. Run Obama. Run Kennedy. Hell, run Gore.

    There’s so many options here. This is the DNC’s election to lose.

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      Thinkin about the Le Guin line about how every ruling class, every ruling ideology, has been destined to completely and utterly humiliate itself before it dies

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    To call Zelenskyy “President Putin” at that critical moment was offensive and totally unacceptable.

    Calling Kamala “Vice President Trump” is kind of hilarious though.

    Both of these together paint a troubling picture. Why is Biden confusing people who are supposed to be his closest allies with those who are considered to be his bitter rivals? This was supposed to be his big press conference where he proves he’s still mentally fit to be president, and he totally blew it. Somebody get him outta there, Biden isn’t fit to be president and the sooner we can admit that and move on the better it will be for this country. The gaslighting in full denial of this is incredibly dangerous, and likely driven by whoever it is that’s actually in charge and wants to stay that way (all signs point to Jill Biden, who last I checked was not elected president.)

    Apparently Biden has not had a full cabinet meeting since last year. These are the people who can invoke 25th amendment on him, and it’s looking extremely suspicious all of a sudden that he’s been avoiding them, and for such an insanely long period of time too!

    For those of us who have had to support an elder family member through times of mental decline, the condition is extremely apparent now, and the administration can no longer hide it. Elders often resist or get angry when confronted about necessary changes, but it’s for their own good. In this case, it’s also so we can ward off a fascist takeover of the US. Come on dem leadership, it’s time to actually be the adults in the room and handle this.

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      To call Zelenskyy “President Putin” at that critical moment was offensive and totally unacceptable.

      I think it was funnier

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    I just don’t understand the pro-Democrat party crowd’s strategy. Why do they insist on keeping Biden as the Democrat candidate when that clown keeps nuking it’s own odds of winning more and more everyday with his stupid shenanigans? If the peoples who keep berating everyone to vote for Biden see Trump as some sort of ultimate threat, why do they insist on using a candidate that even they admit is hated by most of his own voter base against Trump? That sound like a terrible strategy to me. Shouldn’t they be mad at the Democrat party for taking such risk by insisting on a candidate so widely despised? Why don’t they call for a candidate that is actually likely to beat Trump? Why do they keep berating the folks who have made it clear that they won’t be voting for Biden under any circumstances when the over 60% of the Americans who don’t participate in politics are right there?

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      Because Biden is the consensus candidate of party bosses: he’s pro-genocide, militarist to the core and will not upset the bipartisan consensus. If he drops out, someone actually decent might get nominated. You can’t have that.

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      I see Trump as an ultimate threat to all sorts of things, and I DON’T insist on Biden at all. I’ll vote for a chimpanzee if it’s not Trump.

      I honestly feel like not casting a real vote against Trump is voting for our future to be Handmaids Tale and patting yourself on the back for not supporting evil, when for all practical purposes you just did. It’s an abdication of civic responsibility in the name of nebulous principals that will have no effect on the future of the world and no chance of playing a real role in meaningful policy, but you do you.

      The fact that the DNC and Democrats in general are a bunch of privileged, out of touch, self righteous assholes is NOT my fault. I hate it and I hate them. But there’s a lot at stake and many MORE people in this world will suffer, struggle and die under Trump than under Biden. It’s just math and all your ideology is VERY empty in the face of it.

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        I’ll vote for a chimpanzee if it’s not Trump.

        The average American won’t though. You have to actually appeal to them or they’ll stay home.

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          I don’t disagree at all. I’m all for replacing Biden if we can and shaking up DNC leadership if we can and getting rid of these milquetoast moderates wherever we can. The Democratic Establishment is their own worst enemy, either through maliciousness or incompetence (probably a mix of both across the spectrum of party leadership).

          I’m just planning to vote for NOT Trump and encourage everyone else to do the same.

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            I believe I need to leverage my vote to stop Biden from being the nominee because he can’t win the general, and by pledging to vote blue-no-matter-who you are making it more likely Trump wins because he’ll have no trouble beating Biden.

            They’re listening to voters freak out about Biden and they’re responding. It’s not too late.

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        Then you live in a failed democracy and your only option should be systemic regime change. Viva la revolución.

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          Agreed. But we live in a failing democracy in which the religious / fascist revolutionary forces are better organized, better armed and better funded. So starting down that path is unwise.

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            So either campaign for Biden and spend the next 4 years organizing or watch as voting for Biden brings Trump to office in 2028

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        I DON’T insist on Biden at all.

        Maybe not you specifically but I’ve seen a lot of peoples do.

        many MORE people in this world will suffer, struggle and die under Trump than under Biden. It’s just math and all your ideology is VERY empty in the face of it.

        See, I think this is where we disagree.

        You operate under the assumption that the things that the Republicans want to do couldn’t happen under Biden, presumably because you think he would block Republican policies, but knowing what I know about Biden and his policies, his willingness to “reach across the aisles” and give concessions to the right, his tendency to passively letting Republican bills pass without doing anything about it even when he clearly have the power to, his failure/unwillingness to roll back Republican policies from Trump’s last term let alone the ones that he expanded instead, etc… I’m telling you honestly, I don’t believe that for 1 second.

        I have not seen ANY evidences that Biden would act against Republican politics.

        Heck I haven’t seen evidences that he wouldn’t do a complete 180 and start supporting Republican policies that he used to denounce, it wouldn’t even be the first time he does it.

        In your arguments in favor of voting blue, you (the peoples who tell everyone to vote blue) always use this assumption that Biden couldn’t possibly be as bad as Trump as an axiom, as if it was just obvious, you never bother trying to show that it’s true, you never question it, I certainly haven’t ever seen any of you questioning it or trying to demonstrate it. You just treat it as some sort of fundamental truth to the point you don’t even seem to notice that you are using it sometimes.

        I haven’t seen any reason to believe that this assumption is true, on the contrary.

        When I look at the 2 last US presidential terms, I don’t see a bad president and a worst president, I see a bad president who tell you that he’s gonna to terrible shit and does exactly that and an other equally bad president that pinky promise he wont do terrible shit but then do terrible shit anyways and blames the other bad president for it when he get caught doing terrible shit.

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          I don’t insist on biden but he won the primary and having the party just outright select the canidate is the type of things people complain about. I mean superdelegates and all. I do like biden and the four years we have had. not just versus trump but versus every president since reagan.

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    Yes, it was embarrassing. As soon as he said it I literally winced in pain. It was bad.

    But. And of course there’s a but. He even addressed later in the conference that him misspeaking should not over shadow the results he’s getting. And he’s getting results.

    Man has stated he’s had speech problems loong before he ran for president. Like, still a kid in school stuttering times. He sucks with names. That’s an unfortunate fact. But why does that trump (pun intended) everything else?

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      Here’s Biden in the 2008 debate against Sarah Palin. https://youtu.be/4Hs7CptPWI4?si=ygyXTtMIiNwfAPYa

      There’s no “stutter.” He’s nailing his talking points, stringing them together fluently. The Biden of today is unrecognizable.

      At the same time, it’s not like Kamala is going to beat Trump. And they won’t let Bernie get the nomination.

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        Bro, if your answer to all this is Bernie you’re so far off in lala land there’s no point in arguing with you.

        And that’s coming from someone who donated heavily to his campaign haha

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          Bernie was the most popular candidate in 2016 until the DNC booted him for Hillary. And Bernie is still coherent.

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            Look. I love Bernie. I honestly wish he was in charge, things would be a million times better. He was popular online. And with peolle we would mainly talk to

            Unfortunately that’s not most voters. And replacing Biden with someone he’s already beat shows no strength, especially when you’re replacing him because he’s old and the replacement is almost as old.

            I would love to feel the Bern but that’s not possible now :(

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      That’s an unfortunate fact. But why does that trump (pun intended) everything else?

      Like what? His genocide?

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        Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession

        Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama

        Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%

        $1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN

        $600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.

        $427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.

        $372 million to replace Cape Cod’s nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.

        $300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.

        $95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.

        $142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as “the bathtub” due to its regular flooding.

        $150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.

        Modernizes American port infrastructure

        $3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities

        $623 million to build EV charging network

        Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses

        $426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm

        Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world

        US oil production hits all-time high

        Rescinds Trump-era “Denial of Care” rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief

        Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center

        US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010

        $250 million to modernize airports in 37 states

        $4.4 million to upgrade Maine’s power grid

        Violent crime drop significantly since 2020

        $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure

        Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans

        Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure

        $500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience

        $1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population

        $1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030

        $1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites

        $28 billion towards substance abuse treatment

        $366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas

        Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8

        Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness

        Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern

        Bans asbestos

        Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road

        Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries

        Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant

        Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development

        Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump

        Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado

        First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water

        “Last resort” program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes

        America’s economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries

        Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity

        Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining

        $7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households

        Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually

        Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights

        Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030

        Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero

        Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own

        Reinstates net neutrality

        Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity

        Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act

        Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students

        In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do

        Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line

        Bans Russian uranium imports

        $16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities

        Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers

        Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded

        Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)

        Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports

        Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay

        Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease

        Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage

        Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so

        That’s just the past year. Want me to find more for you? Or maybe you can do more research past “he’s old!!!1!”

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          US oil production hits all-time high

          Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)

          Aren’t these generally seen as bad things, though?

          I’ll also say a lot of this list is basically just routine infrastructure maintenance funding, which was arguably necessary, but I would much rather see a combating of the more institutional problems that led to this infrastructure being in such a state of disrepair in the first place. Expanding a highway, for example, not really something I would say is a great accomplishment. The economic citations are things that I find kind of suspicious more generally, because I’m familiar with the amount of laundering economists can accomplish when they really put their pussy into it. Post-pandemic recovery, for example, I can think of a couple ways to spin that, most of them involve us having taken a very large hit from the pandemic compared to other countries because we had a shit ass pandemic response relative to other countries. Violent crime dropping from 2020 is gonna be a fuckin no brainer, for example, like obviously that’s gonna be the case, I don’t think you can really attribute that to a biden presidency.

          Eliminate the padding in this list and back up what appear to be the stronger points and it would be more serious. As it stands, this is more just kind of a gish gallop. You’re just popping a bigass list with no citations and then that’s gonna look more credible while your opposition can’t do much in the face of it without looking like they’re nitpicking or denying reality, even though you don’t have any citations. It might be cynical, but I’ve been on the internet before, so I bet if I push back at all, you’re just gonna tell me to look into it further myself, and that it’s not your job to educate me even though you’re the one who has the burden of proof for making these claims, like how tankies tell me to read theory whenever I ask them questions about books they’ve supposedly read biblically and know so well.

          In any case, a lot of these aren’t really fighting against the idea that the democrats just end up as a controlled opposition band-aid which barely does anything before fascism creeps back in and fucks something else up in our shitty pendulum system. It’s not really fighting against that claim, which I would say is the core nihilistic, apathetic claim that has to be disputed before people can be convinced that their vote will do something.

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            I agree, and I was gunna start giving facts on stuff, but after tonight I’m just gunna get super drunk haha

            But I will say the dude I responded to was acting like Biden has done nothing so I loaded the lost just to make it look better. Bit also that was only this year. If you really want me to I’ll make a better list of just the highlights with sources

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          A recession typically follows after interest rates come down (interest rate cuts are a leading indicator of a recession because the Fed is usually too slow to cut).

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      His speech impediment is bullshit. Where was it when he was Obama’s VP? Where was it in the Senate?

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            You sent a highlight of him talking in the past and want to compare it to him talking now like it’s a fair fight?

            Look. We know he’s old. Nobody is arguing against that. Is his stuttering worse now with his age, yes. Unfortunately. But his gaffs while speaking are not going to distract me too much from what he’s actually doing

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              My point is that you can’t conceal his obvious senility by calling it a stutter. Yes, Trump needs to be prevented from gaining power, and were Biden to win a second term, the next four years would be better for the universe than if Trump were to win.

              Regardless, it is looking exceedingly unlikely that Biden will be President on Jan 21, 2025, so he should step aside for someone who has a realistic prayer of actually being President on January 21.

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    There are some situations that you just can’t “spin” your way out of

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    Did he say that he’s going to immediately turn the U.S. into a Theocratic Dictatorship? No?

    Then I do not give a single fuck, and people that do are probably bots. Fuck off Billionaire newspaper.

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      There’s probably more one can do but Biden is clearly struggling to think clearly. It’s kinda standard now but ancient Dems clinging to power instead of retiring.

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    Putin can wax lyrical about Russian history going back millenia without notes. Biden can…

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    who cares; certainly not me. trump is a convicted felon who wants to usher in fascism and destroy the economy.