• Tunnelvision [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    The DPRK is unironically the unknown threat that the USA doesn’t want the public to really be aware of. All of the outrageous claims made about the DPRK is because America would not be able to defeat them in open combat.

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      The Korean War is quite literally the Forgotten War because it’s almost never mentioned when people talk about North Korea. The way the media and governments talk about it, it’s almost as if North Korea simply manifested from thin air and seceded from the south.

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        I think the other comment is partially a meme/joke, but also the US already tried once to defeat the north and lost… or at least gave up. That was immediately post-WWII US military and economy roaring after facing basically zero setbacks unlike most of the world. Korea and China were coming out of occupation by the fascist Japanese and a brutal incredibly long civil war in China… and still managed to hold their own against, again, the US still at it’s WWII strength. And it’s not like the US wasn’t trying to “win” either they leveled every fucking building in the north and still couldn’t make them give up. I’m not an expert on North Korean military shit now, but last I heard they learned from the war with the US and built everything underground so it can’t really be targeted by the US. Not easily anyway. We see in Gaza that Israel cannot damage much of the underground infrastructure… imagine that on the nation state level. US would be on a total suicide mission to even try an invasion. Not to mention their nuclear capabilities.

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            Propaganda is so heavy. I thought you were being 100% serious because it’s quite obvious the US would handily lose that conflict a second time. Probably even worse than the first as neoliberalism has rotted the US from the inside while DPRK has prepared for this inevitability.

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        The US relies on its asian puppet colonies KUSA and Japan to act as meaningful proxies. KUSA is mostly filled with forced conscripts so judging from the IOF, they don’t look like to be an actual competant fighting force. Also in the event of war, military command goes to the US who, as we’ve seen in Ukraine and Occupied Palestine + Yemen, are so corrupt that it would be a liability so there is a possibility of refuseniks/mutinies in the KUSA army.

        Artillery shells are pointed at seoul at all times and can wipe out the entire city in a matter of hours. This inevitably means that SK’s economy collapses as all the Chaebols and other assorted bourgeoisie flee and the entire country is militarized while the CIA controlled Korean government would spend all its time doing the classic slava Ukranian trick of kidnapping conscripts and whatnot.

        The US backed NATO can’t join the conflict because of Comrade Kim Jong Un’s investment in nuclear ICBMs (Ukraine much?), inevitably, South Korea’s place in the global supply chain would be used as a threat to G7 and the global south to support the war while further isolating the US.

        A war with the DPRK could be a flashpoint to a proletarian revolution in KUSA and a complete breakdown of Chaebols which is why the endlessly corrupt and cruel south korean government would never go to war unless the US forced then to (meaning that the Chaebols would know in advance, the optics of which could prove fatal to the rogue state of the ROK).

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        They couldn’t defeat them the first time around and they hadn’t had decades to stockpile munitions back then. You can’t defeat a country with air power, you can only destroy it, and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.

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          and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.

          And even then it’s only when there are no threats to their aircraft. They haven’t fought a foe with actual air defenses in decades.

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        The other comments explain it enough I think, I’d just like to add that I think there is a natural reaction to underestimate the North Koreans even among leftists, but imho I think the DPRK would do better in a war against the US in Korea than even the Russians in Ukraine. Just for comparison sake the Russians have been practicing the war in Ukraine for 30 years pretty much, but the DPRK has been practicing since the 1950’s.

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            The slow progress is very much intentional. Less casualties for Russia, more for Ukraine. The digging in also was intentional, Ukraine was very open about its planned counter offensive. Russia dug in and let them come.

            Don’t get me wrong, there have been russian fuck ups, like, after the peace negotiation broke down, not taking into consideration that many contract soldiers might not renew their contracts.

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            It looks to me (I am not a reliable source) like Russia won the war immediately. There will never be a stable, western aligned government in Ukraine again. But there will be a huge buffer zone that keeps NATO far from anything Russia considers dangerous.

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                There will never be a stable, western-aligned government again. There’s never gonna be a stable, eastern-aligned government either. The rightwing coups will never end. Ukraine is destroyed for the working class. The bourgeoisie might have one last chance to sell out and move to the US.

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                How you propose to reverse or even avoid this? Keel up before nazis and allow for genocide in Donbas and another yeltsinisation of Russia? This time maybe terminal since west seem helbent on balkanization of Russia.

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      Pretty much yeah, and now they’re forced to acknowledge the reality of what DPRK is.

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    Kim will send over 2 soldiers from the 302nd Necromancy Brigade (Bloodborne) to train Russian troops to resurrect their entire military since they’ve been wiped out in Ukraine. Kim will also send 300 civilians to push Russia’s cope cages around in Ukraine since they’re experienced with pushing heavy transportation vehicles

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    They’re afraid of the spectre of communism.

    It’s like that marching at the beginning of Hell March 2, quietly getting louder and louder, for years and years. Then the guitar riff kicks in and suddenly communism’s back baby. Right now they can hear the marching, it’s quiet and in the distance… but they are afraid.

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      Indeed, now that they’re no longer able to prevent trade with DPRK and Cuba, they’re going to develop rapidly and all the propaganda about communism stifling development is going to fall apart. Everyone will see that it was US blockade on these countries that was preventing them from developing.

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        I hope that’s the case, the very first thing they need to look at is increasing the country’s power production capacity so that stable electricity can be supplied everywhere all at once instead of just Pyongyang. Hitting that milestone will result in a considerable amount of progress as the population will be able to do a lot more with less, people will have less chores due to the electrification and appliances that shorten time spent on such tasks which will open up people’s time to doing more, both leisure and productive work in their spare time.

        That and much more modern heavy machinery for many of the agricultural tasks the country has.

        Robotics for factories would be a huge boon because they could reduce factory workforces enormously and push that labour towards other tasks.

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    The DPRK spent a lot of time building military might as deterrent and inherited many of the USSR’s military intellectual development. With their development in nuclear weapons I thought maybe the purpose was to scale back their military and just focus on a nuclear deterrent, but now I’m not so sure.

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      It was but Biden government is escalating hostilities on all fronts including Korea.

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        The all out sanctions war on Russia was a monumental fuck up on the part of Biden admin. The fear of secondary sanctions was what kept Russia from working with Cuba, Iran, and DPRK this whole time. Now that threat is used up, and Russia no longer has any reason to conform to US sanctions on other countries.

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          True, and now we seen Russia openly increasing contacts with DPRK, Cuba, Iran, China, basically all the bad guys on US hit list.

          Who would have think that US sanctions really can bring freedom 😆

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            In a manner akin to a protagonist in a classic Greek tragedy, the United States appears to be inexorably propelling itself towards its own downfall, defying the ominous prophecy that looms over its future.

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      I expect that the main idea will be that Russia will provide resources in exchange for DPRK doing manufacturing. This was largely the relationship back in USSR days as well incidentally. Russian economy is overheating right now, so outsourcing manufacturing makes a lot of sense.

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    It’s pretty cool to see Russia and DPRK having peaceful talks. Unlike how the west goes about things.