every single one; when I see a shitty tel aviv influencer join the IDF, I look forward to them being exploded by heroic Hamas resistance fighters; I pray constantly for their violent death
moles providing intel to the resistance or conducting effective sabotage internally might need to be considered on a case-by-case basis
US cops too
hamas hasn’t gone far enough.
It’s gonna be fun seeing this screen grabbed on Fox News
every time i see one of those IDF thirst trap tiktoks i straight up feel guilty for being attracted to women
I straight up unleash my internalized misogyny on these demons.
also throw in US troops too
For some reason this is a controversial take here and people keep telling me the troops will join the revolution even though idf service is compulsory and everybody who signs up to serve in the larger even more genocidal army is doing it willingly.
People really fell for the “the US army is made of poor people doing what they can to survive” propaganda of the 00s.
I mean I joined the military cause I was broke and homeless. I did 5 years active duty and I’m here an committed as fuck to leftist ideals and revolution.
You’re right. I’m sorry, I’m sure the work you’ve done after while being committed to leftist ideals has outweighed all the crimes against humanity you either committed or enabled while you were enlisted. I’m sorry for implying that the data reflects that your personal story is an outlier when it is actually the norm and we have tons of ex military out here doing the work of undoing the harm they caused.
It’s really wild to see a bunch of people that theoretically understand and think with materialistic determination in mind to claim that they didn’t do anything wrong by serving for years in the literal armed wing of American imperialism.
“Sure I was the literal triggerman for a genocidal empire and perpetuated a half dozen illegal wars for American hegemony but I’m on your side now, you can trust me.”
We should be all set as long as somebody else doesn’t swing through offering them a 14% loan on a camaro.
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its because every revolution in history has had a military component and envisioning one for the US based on historical materialism requires working in military participation as a prerequisite.
If we’re relying on the people who have willingly and enthusiastically murdered everybody the American government has told them too without hesitation with less than zero justification for decades that doesn’t speak well for the plan.
I’ll set down how the baby killer rhetorical device is an ultra leftist boondoggle for the time being.
States need militaries. Without force, a state cannot defend its sovereignty. Will you only support an American revolution that brings its own parallel military structure along and includes no former members of the American military?
Even if I were to concede the point you just made, which I won’t, it requires foreclosing on any revolution in the imperial core. That may or may not be a foregone conclusion but it ain’t exactly the kind of thing you can build a polemic or propaganda machine around.
I think that excluding people that try to say they didn’t do anything wrong when they were the literal armed guard for American inperialism is a good way to make sure you’re movement isn’t filled with fascists with no political knowledge.
You realize this is the exact argument liberals make when they explain why it’s a good thing we’re giving self avowed nazis unlimited unrestricted weapons in Ukraine right?
“If theyre helping us fight our enemies who cares what their beliefs are.” - somebody 6 months from being shot in the back of the head
I’m not gonna pretend to know an exact number but I’d say 95%+ of modern troops never directly killed anyone and you know the sickos who did it enthusiastically sure aren’t left leaning, let alone communists.
Fuck off with the “didn’t see direct combat” line
You know what the ones who didn’t see direct combat were doing?
Signing the papers that said the unarmed 13 year old who got canoe’d was deffinitly an enemy combatant and figuring out the logistics of how to get bullets from the factory to an innocent persons head halfway around the world as efficiently as possible.
By this thinking anybody who works in any industry that contracts with the US military is a murderer. The workers who make bullets in a factory, the truck drivers who ship them, people who provide mental health services, cooks who serve them meals etc.
Yup fully agreed.
Well except trying to lump in people who provide counseling after the fact that’s a pretty obvious bullshit false equivalency but I suspect you know you were reaching for that example.
It’s why when I graduated I took a a job designing water and wastewater systems for small communities instead of a job that paid three times as much where I’d design bombs or do that exact kind of logistics. Because I have a functioning set of morals and not facilitating the MIC was a priority to me.
This is why it’s frustrating as somebody whonwas faced with the choice and actively worked to make choices to not be complicit in the imperial war machine pretty fucking annoying to have people insist there’s no way it can be avoided.
Apply this same logic to the pretty much universally agreed on fact that nobody should support Biden.
If you can make excuses for the people who do the shooting, make the bullets, facilitate the logistics, or even interact with people in the military what’s your problem with Biden? Probablly that he’s the one causing all this to happen right? Same applies to everybody literally working every day to make it possible.
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If you turn the screws on the death machine, you deserve death yourself. This isn’t hard to understand, I cannot conceive of why you would defend people who are actively enabling the war machine. Do you fucking work for raytheon or something?
People should be given a chance to grow and change(not where it can harm others), I do believe redmeption is possible, and that humanity is not something you can loose.
If I didn’t believe in redemption I’d kill myself.
So then you disagree with the original statement of the post that all idf soldiers are guilty?
Are you aware of human history? if you can’t lose your humanity what happened to the nazis that were lining people like me and the people I care about up at the edge of a mass grave.
How about the people on the edge of the mass grave? What happened to their humanity when they were shot in the back of the fucking head for opposing fascism.
This “all people are deserving of redemption” is sure rubbing right up against the tolerance paradox.
They get a chance, outside of their fascist society, what they do with it is their business. It’s not guaranteed, it requires the work from them. But they are still fundamentally human, denying others humanity is never right. You can possibly be unworthy, but you can’t stop being human. We are all people, from the day we are born, to the day that we die. Saying that others can be inherently lesser than me is something I refuse to do.
Every human live lost to hate is an unimaginable waste, each of these warcriminals could have been a good person,they aren’t, of course. But in a better world, they could have been.
It is not, and never was, about tolerating their actions and believes, be more careful when reading before becoming needlesly aggressive, please.
People say this a lot, but the fact that the former US troops here on Hexbear haven’t been driven off makes me wonder about the depths of their conviction.
the fact that the former US troops here on Hexbear haven’t been driven off
Well if history is anything to go by, they’ll slink off under cover of darkness, leaving their allies to be overrun by the Taliban.
No more “clean IOF myth”, every single one is complicit in genocide.
Edit: tho a better idea would be forced labour, can’t let their labour-power go to waste when it could be used to develop productive forces. But i ain’t gonna complain when they get smoked by violent resistance members.
no more half measures walter
Bloodlust leads to war crimes.
Leftists would do well to remember to retain and value their humanity. It should be what separates us from them. This isn’t a call for pacifism, btw. It’s a call to not lose yourself in hate and dehumanization.
Moral superiority
Good post
Even these fellas? https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1505937747709767683
LMAO THE IDF THOUGHT THIS WOULD MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD, WHAT THE FUCK
https://www.jns.org/israel-news/idf/23/7/23/304719/
Google “IDF down syndrome” you will get way too many pictures of IOF members with down syndrome, and a video of a Palestinian with down syndrome getting his neck beaten by IOF members, truly the scummiest of the world
Extremely exploitative
This is basically a cum town bit.
Nick: What if a guy with down syndrome was a war criminal?
Stav cackles
Adam: like if Goebbels had down syndrome?
Nick: no like if a regular guy with down syndrome joins the military and they immediately put him in a position to do war crimes
Stav, laughing: I like the implication that every military just has a war crimes division
Nick: well, what are they gonna do? NOT commit war crimes?
Adam: I don’t see how that would be beneficial; to have a guy with down syndrome in there.
Nick: think about it, if a regular guy did a drone strike on a school bus… Well, he’d probably get away with it. But if a guy with down syndrome did it, he’d probably get away with it AND the people on Twitter aren’t allowed to criticize it.
Stav: oh I thought you were going on a different direction, like Lenny [sic] from Mice and Men
Nick: no, this way they’d be immune to prosecution AND criticism. Its the perfect system
The fuck is a cum town
a shitty, reactionary podcast
It was a podcast hosted by 3 comedians who are friends with the Chapo Trap House and TrueAnon hosts, incl. Amber’s then housemate and former president of the DSA Nick Mullen.
Its basically 3 guys riffing on the dumb ideas that pop up in their heads like “what if the actor Michael Douglas was gay?” or “what if the crab from The Little Mermaid was horny?” or similar extremely stupid premises.
Amber.
IDF is whipping up their own personal
MacNamaras 100,000and uhI’m pissed
I’m literally stunned.YES
Yes, I’m angry too. But this isn’t a winning tactic unfortunately.
Killing all the enemy troops sounds like a great strategy
You know what happens when you execute/kill every single enemy? They don’t surrender. They fight to their deaths. They fight with all their strength.
You take prisoners to make your victory easier, not to be a good guy.
I’m being hyperbolic. It’s only about 80 percent that deserve the wall.
These people can not be rehabilitated. It’s unfortunate but it’s true.
Think about how much better the world would be if every single Nazi was executed
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bunch of fuckin’ libs in this thread.
it’s just a bunch of words on a screen comrade nobody here is gonna be executing anyone jfc
edit: they’re concern trolling, aren’t they?
terrible struggle session, next time you want to vent your anger in this way do it in a journal or something don’t make it our problem
Do they conscript?
Service is compulsory in Israel. Every single person who doesn’t have an specific exemption has to serve.
90% of people who ask for an exemption are denied. If you don’t serve, you can be thrown in military prison. Usually this lasts for 90 days. You’ll also be dishonorable discharged which can affect employment opportunities.
if the taylor swift fake news account can refuse service, so can everyone
If you think the average 18 year old who has been indoctrinated since birth threatened with jail and loss of employment deserves death, then you’re just not serious.
Not even Mao or Stalin treated enemy soldiers as harshly as this.
Not even Mao or Stalin treated enemy soldiers as harshly as this.
And now the world is run by Nazis. Thank you for pointing out their failures.
Imagine blaming the current world on Mao and Stalin not executing low-level conscripts instead of the US literally importing and supporting Nazi leadership and their programs.
Not a hint of materialism on Hexbear is there.
I mean here you are with some materialism on hexbear, so thanks!
Executing enemy soldiers instead of imprisoning them is not a winning tactic comrade.
Referencing Stalin and Mao like the another poster did, the right way is put the officers and known participants on trial, the rank and file people get reeducation or long imprisonment if they are true believers in the genocide machine. Don’t make martyrs all the time.
That is not why the world is the way it is lol
lol, lmao
me when i commit genocide but its ok because i was a hecking indoctrinated 18 year old. Lets be clear i dont think these people should be executed, but they are criminals that need to be dealt with approriately, i imagine lifelong labour camp punishment seems fine, that way they can pay back and help rebuild the lives they destroyed. But the 18 year old conscripts shooting people in the back of head while handcuffed and throwing them in a mass grave, and then posting it on tiktok, are not redeemable cause of indoctrination
So they have a free pass for being complicit in genocide?
Sorry about the poor nazi conscripts who only spent 18 years in the third reich, not nearly enough time to realize it’s a bad place
in Algeria we have a word for this “Tnak”
Dishonorable discharged from the IDF should look great on a resume anywhere not genocidal in the world
Having known Israelis who didn’t serve, there are options. Of course, to get conscientious objector status, you can’t let them trick you with the “would you kill a nazi” question like they did the Taylor swift fan account.
That Taylor swift fan account was so real for going to prison rather than serving the IOF
I love all you folx but I’m gonna be honest here. This is just where I go to shitpost, and occasionally get a little too sincere when I briefly forget where I am.
It’s not where I go to discuss tactics or nuance.
