I swear, every time most of the time I see someone being particularly rude, ignorant, and inappropriate on a post (usually political in origin, or they swing it to being political) I click on their profile and see it has been created that same day.
They are only there to sow discord. Only to piss people off. Idk if we can just report them (for what?) but I’d like to try exposing them before responding and interacting…
I am guilty of gobbling up the bait. I’ve started looking at profiles of people that piss me off exceptionally and noticed they’re burner bot loser accounts.
I guess i just want to say I’ve noticed it!
Voyager has a setting to show a baby emoji next to the name of a user if their account is less than a month old and an account age. Probably one of the best features I’ve ever seen for immediately recognizing troll accounts.
There’s already an issue on lemmy-ui for it.
Love this comment from that GitHub page…
This is urgently needed for the upcoming elections.
The only problem though is a lot of time astroturfers/bots create accounts and then just let them sit idle for 6-9 months before using them.
Maybe you could combat that by deleting inactive accounts that seemed to never have been used.
But they can get around that. It’s a never ending battle against that kind of stuff.
Yeah exactly.
The filtering would had to be more sophisticated, instead of an age by date, maybe an age by number of posts within an amount of time, etc.
But astroturfers/bots can work with that too, to a certain extent.
nice. would love something like that on a web interface.
Voyager started as a progressive web app. vger.app. I prefer it to Lemmy’s interface even on computer.
I love that he called it “vger”
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I’m a big dumb. I’ve been using the Voyager app for a while and knew about the web app but never clicked I could use that on desktop.
For now, because Lemmy is relatively new. There’s a reason many bot farms run accounts that are unassuming, “normal” people. Accounts that are established have value. They can then sell those accounts to another group who needs to sew discord. The older Lemmy is, the less useful the new account icon will be.
Is voyager an app like Sync?
Yes, and no ads either.
Yes
I find at least one commenter with a new account on almost every post with more than 5 comments.
They tend to be negative.
Think I’m going to start welcoming them to Lemmy, note their activity to date, and ask them nicely what might have brought them to join. (If they are real, glad to have them, but I have found most Lemmy members came here from Reddit, not to make accounts to post in News or Politics or such places trolls would like.)
Until Lemmy updates to identify new accounts ala Voyager, I think that would be helpful to inform other users they may be talking to a troll.
There are approximately 433k accounts but only 48k Monthly Active Users.
It’s hard to believe that many of posts and comments are often the newest accounts, and though they will change tactics to using older accounts, at least it’s more work for them.
I recommend others do the same.
So, now that you spend half your time on Lemmy being a narc, have you considered moving on to actually contributing meaningful comments and content, or are you content with just being a stool-pigeon that harasses new users?
(Checks your comment history)
Ah, so just the same comment over and over again for weeks on end. Fucking spammer…
Hey look, a new very active account, talking shit about… Hmmm…
Nazis, trump, cops, Russians, gays, etc!
Yeah, people like you are why I point it out new accounts.
And from the way you communicate rudely here, to me for saying “Welcome” to new members, illustrates a great point that you don’t seem to be someone worth talking to, likely by anyone.
Have a great day, and looking forward to Welcoming your next alt.
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Memba reddit comments circa 2016 election? I memba.
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Oh me too! I ‘memba!
I don’t know if 50k people, at least a third of whom are outside of the US is a big enough target or if I’m being naïve in thinking that
My old comments would have had me banned a hundred times over today.
No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though
im not on lemmy but I see regular buy drugs here, how to change your flight booking (no idea how that scam whatever it is works), or for some reason random keyboard characters like a person randomly banged on the homerow keys. may not be paid but apparently someone thinks the fediverse is worth crapping up.
Fair enough, I have also seen that crap
Oh i doubt that. According to a few people I’ve spoken with i’m a paid troll.
That aside it’s good to be suspicious that any reasonably populated online space has is share of astrotrurfers. Hell, remember snowdens revelations shows federal agents had fuggen World of Warcraft and xbox live accounts
i’m a paid troll.
Wait, you guys are getting paid?
I fuckin wish; I’d be able to quit my dead-end.
No one is paying troll farms to go comment on lemmy though
Could you tell that to the c/politics commenters who seem to think russian shills lurk behind every rock?
I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls, much less like…national propaganda spending. Shitty advertising bots maybe.
I don’t really think political spending is going towards Lemmy trolls
Nor do I. I don’t think lemmy is large enough for such spending to have enough return on investment to make it worthwhile. But it’s convenient to dismiss deviations from centrist orthodoxy as the output of shills, and so it happens.
There are 2 million monthly active Lemmy users. That’s a vast untapped market of grassroots users many who likely aren’t on many other platforms, due to the nature of Lemmy.
The first state actor to get in on the ground floor and shape the collective opinion of lemmings as a whole will influence the future outlook of every user of the fediverse. Especially young people. Majority opinion, majority rule.
I believe we can see this taking place on instances like .world and hexbear, but I’m sure it’s happening in a semi-automated fashion across most instances.
That’s total monthly users, not active. MAU is about 30-40k
Thanks for the clarification. Even easier to sink a claw in then. Trajectories don’t show growth slowing down, they show it accelerating.
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We do it for love
So the record is correct here?
It’s more like the far right is bored and doesn’t have anything better to do than troll on the internet.
It’s already getting like that over there. That’s why I’m here now. The last straw was a “Reddit Recommendation” that I join r/InternationalNews. I took a look around, and it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content. There was the video of the university detonation from January 20th, posted that day and pinned to the top. When I commented on the date and provided the source, I was downvoted to oblivion, and eventually banned.
The sub was #7 under recommended news subreddits.
Being anti-Israel is based.
The government, not the citizens, as per usual.
Yep, Israel is not Jews, and Jews are not Israel.
Beyond that even: not all Israelis share the way of thinking of the Government of Israel.
Plenty of decent people even in a country which has for decades been heavy in nationalism, delusions of inherent racial superiority and generally Zionist indoctrination.
They’re probably the minority rather than the majority though.
Plenty of decent people
Incorrect. They’re settlers participating in the genocidal occupation of land that belongs to a sovereign people. This makes it impossible for them to be ‘decent’. There are no ‘civilians’ among Israel’s number.
I also do not view Israel as Israelis, or Israelis as Israel. Just like most of the US hates BOTH Biden and Trump, yet those are our options.
…The citizens are participants in the settler-colonial project that is Palestine’s Occupation. They deserve the same vitriol until they defect or otherwise become a non-issue to Palestinian sovereignty-- though MotoAsh is correct, Judaism is not Zionism. Judaism is merely another Abrahamic religion; Zionism is an ideology of occupation, colonialism, and genocide.
Nah yes their citizens too. Have you seen the video of them literally jumping clapping and cheering the destruction of people’s homes?
The working class of every country has their respective 1%ers that need to be dealt with. Non violently, through electoral reform preferably.
Fuck first past the post voting. Intentionally limiting the number of viable options to pick from is NOT democracy.
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Bibi is basically a centrist in Israel so I dont think that holds up. eg the humanitarian aid at some border crossings are being picketed by Israeli chuds. Sure there are some good Israelis but they aren’t the norm.
Proving op point
I’m sorry, are you FOR regimes that openly commit genocides? Grow the fuck up or pull the mask off.
You’re not going to have much of a better time here if you like Israel and aren’t critical of the US. Lemmy is full of socialists lol
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You should look a little deeper into the history of modern Israel and Zionism. It’s always been a colonial project that necessitates genocide of the local population. I’m not going to get further into it here as it’s not really the place for this and people have already done the work. If you haven’t seen shaun’s video id recommend at least giving it a watch. I’ll leave the iron wall as well. It’s a short essay from one of the founders of Zionism. His views were quite explicit and highly influential at the time and his legacy is obvious in modern Israel. And lastly The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine. It’s a good book that plainly lays out the history of the Zionist colonial project from 1917-2017. I’m only halfway through it but it’s worth your time. Or just watch the video, it’s cites both the essay and book (among other things) and ties it all together very well.
“cOmPlExItY!1!1111!”
There’s nothing fucking complex about what needs be done with settler-colonial genociders and their collaborating swine; and if you think there is, you might be a fuckin settler
The government’s job is to represent me.
If you work for a living like the vast majority of us do, it isn’t the government’s job to represent you, and it never was. The US was born of a bourgeois revolution, and the Founding Fathers formed a bourgeois democracy, which was never meant to represent the working class, and never has. Princeton University Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Recommended by who though? Spez, that’s who. Race-baiting works to increase “engagement” e.g. clicks and comments, thus it continues.
fuck u/spez
anti-Israel and anti-America content is cool actually
So are you racist or a nationalist? There’s a difference between criticizing Netanyahu and Biden, and entire nations of people.
criticising Israel’s genocide of palestinians and consistent settlement of palestinian land going back 75 years and the American government unconditionally supporting them to do this for the last few decades regardless of political party isnt racist actually. I’m assuming you don’t think that just because I criticise the actions of the Russian government that makes me a white supremacist who hates all russian people.
edit: im getting downvoted for saying genocide is bad and countries that commit genocide are bad lmao
edit: im getting downvoted for saying genocide is bad and countries that commit genocide are bad lmao
It’s because redditoids are usually genocidal anglos from either an overt FIVE-EYES nation, or a vassal to a FIVE-EYES nation that desperately wants to be in the club. As one of those redditoids above mentioned, rather ironically I might add, “those with skewed moral cores don’t like being reminded of it by the upright”.
Vassal isnt the right word. Israel notoriously doesnt take orders from the US. Also I’m pretty sure they have a like a visitor pass to 5-eyes.
Vassal isnt the right word.
You’re not wrong, but calling what Amerika and Israel have an “ineffectually-dominated sugar baby relationship” deeply trivializes what the occupiers are doing to Palestine. As it is, I have no reason to believe Biden/the DNC don’t tacitly cosign what Israel’s doing, from how Biden just admonishes Bibi then sends them millions upon millions more dollars in materiel every month.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist downvotes.
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Can we start treating the bullshit line of “I don’t hate the people I hate the government” for what it is? This is the 40th time in a row it’s been used by someone who absolutely does conflate a government and its people.
Not a single peckerwood that’s ever fixed their face to say “neither Washington nor Beijing” has Ever taken the former to task
it was a hotbed of anti-Israel and anti-America content.
Welcome to a hotbed of anti-imperial, anti-colonial, and anti-settler content 😂 If you’re looking for pro-imperial core content, you’ve come to the wrong place.
I deleted my 14 year old account after enough BS on Reddit
Going there with no account but not really on private mode so i got recommendations for regional subs
canada_sub keeps getting pushed. That sub is an alt right neo nazi echo chamber in which the founder and head mod admitted to astroturfing himself with multiple accounts to push hateful topics.
Reddit is intentionally pushing misinformation and hatred for metrics to prop up the ipo
I think r/InternationalNews was mainly created as a place to discuss issues free from the rampant Zionism of r/WorldNews.
Happy to have people on Lemmy but I have to say, Lemmy as a whole seems way more anti-Israel than reddit right now. Although to be fair outside of r/WorldNews and a few other places, the general mood does seem to be shifting away from Israel pretty hard.
For me this is nice to see, because fuck Israel right to hell, but you’ll certainly see the same type of content here. I like that if people don’t like it they can make their own community or even an instance, and also that people are generally more free to disagree here (partially due to lax moderation I guess). You should have never been banned for that comment by the sound of it, absolutely stupid.
100%. I’ve been saying it over and over. It’s election season on the internet, division aplenty.
There’s a very easy way to stop division: Have a set of values based in reality, and use that to determine what is not up for debate. The first thing a good troll will do is push at the fabric of what is acceptable and erode the community from there. Some people are inherently unreasonable and therefore shouldn’t be listened to. Give them a chance to see the light and if they refuse, give em the yeet.
The reason why neo-nazi communities are so quick to fall apart is because their values are not based on reality, so all you have to do is point out a single contradiction and then watch as they passionately debate themselves into increasingly splintering groups. My favorite that sits on the mantle of shit-stirring pot is “Trump is pro-Israel” which absolutely decimates any far-right community it touches.
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NIt’s election season on the internet
Is it? Or is it just election season in a couple of specific countries, and not elsewhere…
Just sayin :P
Use the report button when you see those, it’s the quickest way for them to be noticed by mods and admins.
Unpopular opinion but I rather downvote. I want to see people’s bad opinions instead of pretending they don’t exist.
The whole of Lemmy is, in general, severely under-moderated.
Part of it is personnel (being a moderator is a crappy job and we don’t have the people to do it) but it’s also ideological. A lot of people here believe that allowing disruptive speech is better than suppressing expression.
That’s a choice and we live with the consequences.
That’s a choice and we live with the consequences.
I mean, let’s be clear: The choice lies with the users. If users want to allow disruptive speech (or what’s worse), they can go to the instances/communities that allow that kind of speech. If not, they can go to other instances/communities that have stricter moderation.
You don’t have to personally live with it - go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now.
This place is like a black mirror episode. “It’s okay, just block the Nazis and it’s like they’re not there terrorizing and indoctrinating others, bc I can’t see it”
If your instance admins haven’t defederated with the nazi instances yet you gotta talk to them my friend. You could also move to a different instance that has defederated from the nazi instances, I think most have.
@lemmy.world
talking about other instances being nazi bars
I don’t mean each user needs to block people, I mean go to instances and communities that are well-moderated.
You don’t have to personally live with it - go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now.
I have been spending relatively more time on Bluesky now you mention it. They way they do block propagation is just 😘👌
What is block propagation?
I’m not super sharp about the details, but if you block someone, by default other people don’t see their replies on your stuff. There may be more features but I’m not sure.
Anyway, it remains functional even when overrun with shitheads because not everyone needs to block everyone.
I see.
not everyone needs to block everyone.
I feel like defederation is the tool for this on the Fediverse. But just to be clear, when I said “go somewhere else if you don’t like where you are right now” I didn’t mean go away from the Fediverse, I just meant another community or instance basically.
I would argue that defederation is a completely fucking brain dead way to deal with bad faith users.
And the “fediverse” has no answers here.
How come? I mean if there is a concentration of bad faith users on an instance or maybe the instance attracts such types because it has no rules or directly encourages such behaviour, is it not good that other instances can choose not to interact with that instance?
Yeah. Maybe if mods weren’t constantly removing factual information as “disinformation”, you’d have a point.
But again, you choose your mods. If you think your mods are being unreasonable, use other communities with better mods - or start your own community and become the better mod yourself.
It’s a “this type of website” problem, not limited to one page or instance.
Hmm. Maybe? I’d like to think it’s possible to do a website of this type without those problems. But I could be wrong I guess.
A lot of people here believe that allowing disruptive speech is better than suppressing expression.
Yep! Imo it’s the only way to beat trolls. If you suppress it, your still giving it attention and publicity. Your also playing into their game that they will claim you sensor truth.
Imo if you tell someone: “yeah, come to lemmy, voice your opinion. We won’t ban you but if we mostly disagree and ignore, clearly your idea was not with its salt”.
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/c/worldnews
Which one? There’s one on every instance.
Yup! I had a comment removed from lemmy.ml because I said something nice about the USA. I had another comment removed because I said something not nice about CCP.
What did you say?
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Shoutout to Voyager, for automatically marking new accounts with a baby emoji. It’s a feature ripped straight from Apollo, and it should honestly be the standard.
This app has a lot of great features, it actually convinced me to sign up.
Wefwef also has it.
Wefwef is Voyager under a different name. It’s literally the same app.
Is there a reason to have one over the other?
I was going to say I would be happy if just the Lemmy website allowed you to filter out comments based on the age of the account of the comment being made, but a lot of times accounts are created then are left dormant for sixish months and then are used for nefarious reasons.
Yeah, even filtering by karma/post count/comment count isn’t a perfect solution because karma farming bots are 100% a thing. It’s one of those “you can slow them down but you’ll never stop them” scenarios.
I have seen this as well. Thankfully Voyager flags accounts under a certain age, so there’s an immediate visual indicator that an inflammatory comment may be just a troll.
That’s a neat feature. I will request that gets added to sync.
Is this on per default? How to activate it?
Thanks
AFAIK it’s on by default. I’m using the most recent iOS version, if you’re not seeing it I’d ask in the voyager community.
Just installed due to this thread.
On by default. Nice feature
Huh, interesting. Voyager’s one of the Lemmy apps? Is it for iOS too?
Lemmy.world actually host a voyager instance at https://m.lemmy.world/
Yeah, it’s an iOS app.
I see. The symbol is an yellow baby
The ones that stand out to me are the ones that take offense at mundane things, because they’re looking at it through a skewed mental filter. As far as I can tell, they’re genuine. I don’t know what to make of it, so I just make liberal use of the block button.
That’s some fucking ableist bullshit, not everyone is neurotypical you know. Fucking bigot.
You are really proving his point, eh? Or are you being silly and trolling him? I seriously cannot tell.
Could be genuine. People with a skewed mental filter don’t like to be reminded by someone with an upright one
Not trolling per se, more like an experiment.
I agree with OP that I’m sick of brain dead people picking some random bullshit to engage in. But clearly lemmy as a community has lost the ability to “don’t feed the troll”. Or in other words, lemmings get just as angry against the random bullshit as the random bullshitter is angry for his random bullshit.
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”. Instead lemmy went 😡😡😡
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”.
Isn’t that what both replies basically say?
Both replies, but not the downvotes
The correct response to my post should have been “that’s probably satire”. Instead lemmy went 😡😡😡
But at the end of the day, how do you truly know, either way?
Especially when people don’t label it as such with a /s.
Understanding context is a skill that has atrophied in younger generations. Reading comprehension is not really being taught in school anymore.
forgot the /s
forgot the /s
This.
I didn’t forget, I left it off to see what would happen. Went about as I expected.
Also worth pointing out that the best way of reading this thread is looking at all of the removed comments in the modlog. Lol.
Now I’m really curious. How do you read those comments?
There’s a link at the bottom of each and every Lemmy page.
You can search by community/post/user.
On Kbin and Lemmy instances, the link is called “Modlog” at the bottom of the page in browser. I don’t use any Fedi apps so I don’t know what it looks like there.
You can see all of the deleted comments every day. I recommend everyone to look at the Modlog at least occasionally. You get a real pulse on how each community is moderated and you can make a better informed decision on where you actually want to hang out.
Is this something publicly accessible or do you need to be a mod or host an instance?
Just go to the instance website and there will be a link to the modlog usually at the bottom of the page.
Two downvotes for just supplying a link to a comment that answers the question, so that copy/paste is not done?
I guess we’re not supposed to be helpful anymore. /shrug
I absolutely love the mod log. Some days I just read through that instead of the regular Lemmy posts.
It’s not just an entertaining read, it’s a valuable resource to look at to determine if mods in certain communities are over-moderating. Imo for months, mods in many of the largest communities are far overstepping their roles and not just “moderating” their communities but actively censoring opinions they don’t like.
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It’s not just an entertaining read, it’s a valuable resource to look at to determine if mods in certain communities are over-moderating.
Agree. Honestly that’s where I find the entertainment from, actually looking at how the mods actually do their moderating, the kind of reasons why they give.
It’s interesting to compare the moderation that happens between the different communities too.
Yes, Im also glad im not the only one who noticed this. But it also seems to be they disapper after a few days too, maybe instance mods banned them or they just got bored.
Assholes are everywhere, but yeah, it’s been happening slowly but surely ever since lemmy has gained more users (which makes sense).
I’d really like to know the ratio of assholes to regular people out of every 100 people 😂
An ever increasing ratio because assholes drive out non assholes.
Dead Sea effect in action.
Good theory; makes sense
Unless you have mods that aren’t afraid to drive out the assholes
Some threads have a handful of interactions that seem less than genuine, yes. Usually political and derailing and spoil the thread.
I noticed votes related to political comments are suddenly shifting to the right which was different just 1 week ago.
Absolutely this. We are in for a ride!
I fit your definition. Now lemme 'splain:
For thirty-five years I have heard nothing but radical right fascism spewing hate, lies, vitriol, slander, and violent rhetoric- over the airwaves, cable, and now social media- and without the slightest bit of challenge or pushback. The amount and volume increased when they figured out it pays big money. The people who listen have never known that it was for entertainment; they are being edged to violence just like Ruwandan radio did.
Liberals have been major pussies and doormats about this because they have no idea who they’re dealing with. They cannot be reasoned with or appealed to through humanity. The radical fascists’ free speech rights do not exist and are not to be defended; there is absolutely nothing to gain there and everything to lose. As I said, liberals have no idea who they’re dealing with.
For all the unchecked violence and damaged caused by the radical fascist shitbags to our daily lives, our long term properity, and to safety and security in general, I absolutely attack them with all the violent and vitriolic slander I can muster to pay back for thirty-five plus years of the same. This is the route every one of you should take, because they all think you’re a bunch of pussies and they take great joy in running you over. They must be made to fear even being seen in public, and beaten down like rabid dogs when they are. They are enemies of freedom, enemies of humanity, and enemies of all that is good in the world.
A lemmy.world account with a spine? 😳😳😳
God damn, color me pleasantly surprised!
Yeah that’s a new one. They deserve a better class of fed.
We’re about 6 months away from the US presidential election so it doesn’t surprise me.
