Looks at primary driver of positive chance over the past 30 years Huh hey look at that, all the positive change we’ve experienced has been due to electorialism and non violent protests. I wonder how all the violent revolutions have gone?
That’s the Jakarta method; pay off the military and promote a strongman within the country to destroy the socialist democracy and install a dictator to hunt down socialists for execution or torture. It was the precursor to Operation Condor.
Numerous countries on this earth that have successfully undergone violent people’s revolutions and just about all of them have better quality of life and life expectancy than the US lol
: Stupid commies, don’t you realise that violence never achieves anything? Miss me with all that talk of revolutionary collective action; real progressivism is when you vote for nice, intelligent Democrat politicians so that they can bestow upon the American people positive socioeconomic policy changes like NAFTA and the Affordable Care Act.
Calling up the King family to tell them there was no violence in their protests
Dr. King’s policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.
This is a bit right? Almost no change ever in favour of workers was won without the blood and sweat of workers, who had to face horrible violence from the state and many times had to resort to violence themselves. You really think asking nicely and voting ever got us ANYTHING? If it wasn’t the blood of workers in your country it was the blood of workers in another province of the Empire.
Would you personally meet violence directed at you and yours with nonviolence? If so, then are you hoping for mercy or compassion? If you would respond with violence, what makes your violence morally superior to the violence you see in protests?
As an aside, do you think Derek Chauvin would have been arrested if people didn’t take to the streets?
Looks at the utter lack of positive change over the past 30 years Huh, I guess you’re right. All of the positive change we’ve experienced has been due to electoralism.
Civil rights came from people of colour fighting for their life’s against police and clansmen. These rights were begrudgingly granted and only after immense conflict, without which nothing would have changed.
Gay marriage was legalised after decades of intense political action that often involved physical conflict (stonewall was a riot) without the people fighting for these rights democrats wouldn’t have given a shit.
The weekend was won by unions and they didn’t ask nicely. The 8-hour workday likewise.
I struggle to think of anything where the democrats have been the drivers of positive change rather than begrudging portiers slowly opening a gate they’d rather keep shut.
Going further: The United States were created as a result of a violent revolution. One day they might be a functional nation
Looks at primary driver of positive chance over the past 30 years Huh hey look at that, all the positive change we’ve experienced has been due to electorialism and non violent protests. I wonder how all the violent revolutions have gone?
Brainstorming positive changes…
Roe v wade ending
Citizens united
Patriot act
Iraq war
Afghanistan war
Syrian war
Yemeni war
Bombing of Yugoslavia
Complete rejection of coronavirus mitigation
Children in cages
Border wall
Decreasing literacy
Abu ghraib
Guantanamo bay
Sanctions targeting the poor
Growing wealth gap
Anyway
Remind me what happened on Labor Day again?
Remind me how women got the vote?
How African Americans got the vote?
Who cares if it was longer then 30 years ago, show some respect.
What are these positive changes (over the past 30 years) you libs want to take credit for?
Positively declining the life expectancy in the US
It goes great until the US deploys counter-revolution and sanctions. Or just invades.
Electoralism has a similar problem, every time progress is made the US deploys the Jakarta method to destroy democracy.
The solution is pretty obvious 😏
Yeah, this is what Fidel Castro was trying to tell Dr. Allende
Or coupes, can’t all of the ones us has done.
Have there been any successful, for the people of the country not wealthy, ones done by the US? 🤔
That’s the Jakarta method; pay off the military and promote a strongman within the country to destroy the socialist democracy and install a dictator to hunt down socialists for execution or torture. It was the precursor to Operation Condor.
Numerous countries on this earth that have successfully undergone violent people’s revolutions and just about all of them have better quality of life and life expectancy than the US lol
The irony of saying this as the US is currently committing a genocide is really something
Be careful, they might condescendingly tell you that Trump will be worse than Biden for Palestinians
In an imaginary scenario they’ve concocted where Trump nukes Gaza or something
Are the positive changes in the room with us now?
Calling up the King family to tell them there was no violence in their protests
This is a bit right? Almost no change ever in favour of workers was won without the blood and sweat of workers, who had to face horrible violence from the state and many times had to resort to violence themselves. You really think asking nicely and voting ever got us ANYTHING? If it wasn’t the blood of workers in your country it was the blood of workers in another province of the Empire.
If simply peacefully protesting and voting could cause material change, capitalists would have made sure both were banned
I mean countries like US or Germany do arrest people for even peaceful protests against genocide right now.
True; I think it’s probably because they fear it being a runway to less peaceful protests about it
Yeah, if you read their justifications it’s always some “slippery slope” or " broken windows" nonsense
You’re misunderstanding the post imo
It’s not that it’s impossible to make change with non-violence/playing fair…
it’s that making change against something as violent and unfair as the system is, with non-violence and fairness, literally impossible.
The tolerant need not tolerate the intolerant.
Your chances of wining fairly against an opponent who’s allowed to cheat and change the rules of the game decrease the more your opponent wins.
Vote for who you believe in, protest against those you don’t. Hedge those bets, everyone else is.
Would you personally meet violence directed at you and yours with nonviolence? If so, then are you hoping for mercy or compassion? If you would respond with violence, what makes your violence morally superior to the violence you see in protests?
As an aside, do you think Derek Chauvin would have been arrested if people didn’t take to the streets?
Looks at the utter lack of positive change over the past 30 years Huh, I guess you’re right. All of the positive change we’ve experienced has been due to electoralism.
Civil rights came from people of colour fighting for their life’s against police and clansmen. These rights were begrudgingly granted and only after immense conflict, without which nothing would have changed.
Gay marriage was legalised after decades of intense political action that often involved physical conflict (stonewall was a riot) without the people fighting for these rights democrats wouldn’t have given a shit.
The weekend was won by unions and they didn’t ask nicely. The 8-hour workday likewise.
I struggle to think of anything where the democrats have been the drivers of positive change rather than begrudging portiers slowly opening a gate they’d rather keep shut.
Going further: The United States were created as a result of a violent revolution. One day they might be a functional nation