• @m5rki5n
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    161 month ago

    People who say that it was exclusively ISIS really don’t make their lives easier.

    The Sun actually fucking showed us that some soldiers who fight on the side of Ukraine have ISIS patches on them. Were they ISIS? I don’t fucking know, but does that matter? They are not enemies, that’s for sure, and Ukraine fucking loves unnecessary civilian casualties.

    https://youtu.be/lJmLj7yjk9s?t=10

  • @supersolid_snake
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    161 month ago

    The west: we don’t create/ fund extremists

    Also the west: here is a movie starring Tom Hanks bragging about we did exactly that

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      Unrelated to the topic of this post (and fair warning, this is going to be a bit of a ramble) but your comment really reminds me of something that i’ve been thinking about for a while which is that the sheer amount of propaganda that Hollywood has pumped into the world’s brain is just incredible.

      I was looking at 80s and 90s movies and how they so often (with a few exceptions that were more socially critical mostly coming from the realm of scifi) portray an idealized version of reality where the false promises of Reaganomics actually come true, where individualism and competition really are the way to get ahead in life, and the system is fair, and greed (within the bounds of the law) is good, and property is sacred, and the cops are always the good guys, and the rich are just like you and me but they are also these generous philantropes, and how their charity and their job creation does way more good than government programs…and it’s in movies that you wouldn’t expect it either, some of the most innocuous sounding of you only look superficially at their plot, lots of “heartwarming” or family movies especially.

      It really is quite insidious because they don’t make this the obvious message of their movie but rather the background on which the story operates, the implicit assumption that this is how the world works, and the average person doesn’t notice this in the slightest but they are nonetheless subconsciously heavily influenced especially if they grew up on the stuff. Hollywood is absolutely toxic brain poison and i am coming more and more over to the opinion that just blocking all of it is the right way to go for a socialist society. And especially kids shouldn’t be allowed to consume any forms of mainstream entertainment media that comes from western society because it is pure brainwashing.

      And i don’t for a second believe that the CIA did not have its fingers in a lot of these, or at least in creating the environment where this kind of stuff gets to the forefront of popular culture while suppressing or de-fanging anything that would expose people to a radically different paradigm of thinking about society.

      • @ihaveibs
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        81 month ago

        I am curious if any comrades here from the global south can give insight into how Hollywood and US media in general has affected their countries

  • @Mzuark
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    81 month ago

    The Ukrainians claimed it was a Russian falseflag while the bullets were still flying. NAFO was making memes about it minutes after the reports broke. It could not be more obvious that they were involved.

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      NAFO are irrelevant losers. They don’t know shit and i don’t form opinions based on their idiotic blather. The real giveaway was the collective West media and officials going into overdrive frantically trying to sell the ISIS narrative almost from the moment the news broke that it was happening. Two years and they couldn’t figure out who did the Nordstream bombings but within minutes they knew that this was ISIS and that Ukraine definitely had nothing to do with it? The more they insist the more convinced i am that they are trying to hide something.