Interesting to see western outlets change their narratives this quick.
Well anyway, hope this actually happens and an end to this war is finally negotiated.
What exactly changed here?
It’s gone from blocking all negotiations with Russia while saying “Ukraine can achieve a military victory” to “sanctions will overthrow Russia” to “sanctions on Russia aren’t working” to “Ukraine can’t militarily win” to now acknowledging that this can only end via negotiations.
Well, by “quick” I meant the last two stages happening in western outlets in just the last month.
These comments are cute.
Watch how quick reactions change when you ask, “Which states should the US surrender to prevent the Russians invading?”
The thin veil of your “might-makes-right” argument is sad.
Oh, man. Wait until you learn about how the USA was formed, developed, and expanded.
Sorry Russia, all sales final.
There’s an easy way to end this war: either kill Putin or have Putin resign.
Great man theory and its consequences
Fallacy.
Literally not a fallacy, your reasoning hinges on Great Man Theory. The two most popular parties (the second being the communist party) both mainly support the war and the assassination of a sitting President would not, in fact, make the country more dove-ish. It’s a cartoon view of the conflict that the war spawned from Putin’s brain and is his personal pet project that he is subjecting the rest of Russia to.
Bot.
Not literally but if somebody programmed the Lib-O-Matic 3000 it would be indistinguishable.
I’ll bite: why do you think that would end the war?
Because it takes away the puppet Russia has been building and nurturing this whole time.
I’ll be honest, I don’t get what you’re saying
He’s scared to say the NAFO-fied spelling of Putin, knowing the wrath of the incoming maelstrom of pigpoopballs
Fuck it I dont have anything better to do.
Who is “russia” that has been working behind the scenes to build up Putin.
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This is magical thinking. “If the enemy were to simply disappear, everything would be fixed.”
You have to engage with the reality of the situation.
Holy shit I literally just made a comment saying maybe libs would move on from this branded catchphrase and then I scroll down one co.ment and here you are.
Serves me right for thinking libs would ever learn to interact with reality.
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I hope that Ukraine and Russia can agree on not drawing new borders.
What a novel idea, actually inviting the other side of the war you’re fighting to the peace talks instead of having peace talks with ukraine, the American secretary of defense, and half a dozen venture capitalists to decide what ukraine is and isn’t allowed to concede.
Maybe they’ll actually come up with sonething better than libs favorite line “Here’s our peace proposal, Russia packs up and abandons a two year long military operation in which they’re accomplishing everyrhing they said they set iut to do and they go back to Russia for no reason other than I’ve been whining about it on reddit forever.”
I expect that Russia will avoid peace talks until they see how the American elections turn out (and if the current American government can get over the current roadblocks to arming Ukraine). If Trump wins then either Europe has to compensate for the loss of American support, driving a wedge between Europe and the US, or Europe fails to make up the shortfall and Ukraine has a far weaker hand in negotiations.
I can imagine it’s also possible that Ukraine is doing this right now specifically because Russia probably wants to wait for the American elections.
Whatever happens, I wish Ukraine the best of luck. I hope we give them the strength to get either a good deal or a victorious end to the way, whichever they choose to go after
If Trump wins then either Europe has to compensate for the loss of American support
Lol liberals genuinely thinking the GOP isn’t just as imperialist. How the hell are you falling for his obvious empty rhetoric?
NATO is central to the imperial core’s military. If he ever truly wanted to weaken it (which, again, he obviously doesn’t), he’d be replaced like JFK was assassinated for wanting to abolish the CIA. It will never happen via the existing US political system; that only serves to protect capitalism and imperialism.
thinking the GOP isn’t just as imperialist.
Yeah that’s not a thing I even came close to saying.
Your comment implied that you thought his statements about not supporting NATO countries that don’t spend enough on military weren’t just empty rhetoric, no?
There’s more than one way to be imperialist
What’re you even trying to say lol
That America is perfectly capable of imperialism without supporting Ukraine or even maintaining NATO. It has an enormous military and extremely safe geography. It can afford to pick and choose its friends, and a pivot towards Russia instead of central and western Europe is not going to change any of those prior factors. Russia is not anti-imperialist just because it’s doing stuff that NATO doesn’t like.
Russia has no real issues continuing the war for another cycle. Term limits destroy America’s ability to functionally engage in long-term conflicts without turning them into quagmires.
Support for US wars is bipartisan. The GOP merely pretends they would have managed Ukraine better to pivot to China as an electioneering tool.
It doesn’t make any difference, we have no industrial production to fight a peer enemy in a war. All we have is overt nuclear threats and targeted missile assassinations (Soleimani’s fate) or WWII-style mass strategic bombing civilian populations (Palestine, Syria, Yemen). Look at you, fools. You’ve been obsessing over cherry-picked footage to convince yourselves Ukrainians experience only tactical successes. Where are your tactics videos now? You ignored economics and politics.
You thought Twitter could win this war? Tying Russians and their families to trees with saran wrap and pulling their pants down in broad daylight on Telegram? It only enraged them. They won’t stop now.
You have zero understanding of operations, let alone strategy, I will speak nothing of the political goals of NATO or Russia alike. LOL. You are completely useless at anything other than smugly cheering for death.
When did I say anything that your middle two paragraphs are about? It’s like you’ve gone off on a rant against someone else and just decided to post it here anyway
Of course the GOP is generally keen on war. The reality is that they’re blocking America from arming Ukraine right now. Whether it’s an electoral strategy or a preference for Russia over Ukraine or anything else, that’s what is happening.
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