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The thumbnail doesn’t exactly inspire confidence…
You personally can’t do much about climate change alone, but as a collective we can.
I know, I just thought youtube’s choice of thumbnails was funny.
it was deliberate by them, not youtube itself
it’s kind of the point of it lol
The birds took the red pill.
Good.
EDIT: but not enough radical
What would you have said in their place?
To not vote, riot instead
Is there any reason to believe that this would work?
In 2018 France had some of the largest social unrest which started due to a small carbon tax on gas. I don’t think people are really ready for a revolution on the grounds of ecology…
Anyway, most revolts/revolutions are diverted from their original goals and a few people take power, while the uncertainty of everything hurts many.
People aren’t ready to vote on the grounds of ecology either, I live in one of the largest democracies.just ask yourselves what are the grounds on which people in your country vote on?
When was the last time voting caused systemic change? voting is made to sustain the system , it will never allow you to tear it apart. a Revolution will destroy the current system and replace it with a better one.
Reform will not solve the climate change, but a radical change in our consumption model will, such a change is inevitable either through a Revolution or through collapse of our Eco-system. one of these options will have more suffering than other. that’s the reason to believe in revolution
just ask yourselves what are the grounds on which people in your country vote on
If people don’t vote with ecology in mind do you think they’re going to start a revolution for it?
No, both of these things require educating the masses, point is that only one of them is effective for systemic change.
Ronald Reagan was elected and managed to significantly impact the American economy (for the worse, it lead to a large increase in inequality). Why don’t you believe that the same can be done the other way?
The main weakness of the Yellow vest unrest was that the mouvment lacked of an unified vision. Ecology was only one of the many, many things the YV stood for.
The French peopole hate EVERY politician, but are too lazy to revolt. Here is the French paradox
French peopole hate EVERY politician, but are too lazy to revolt
As if it wasn’t the same all around the world.
lacked of an unified vision
As would any popular revolution
Ecology was only one of the many, many things the YV stood for
It was really one of the least important of their concerns, what sparked the protest was a carbon tax…
So the only thing we can do is vote? What a joke 😂
No, you can vote, militate, talk to your friends/family, engage yourself in more sustainable behaviours so that sustainable alternatives
arebecome profitable. Engaging in sustainable behaviours will also help you convince the people around you that it is possible to improve our current situation.sustainable is the opposite of profitable.
That’s not always true. Fairphone is able to run with a profit. There are many companies making money with solar panels, wind/hydro turbines etc…
yikes, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
What? are we using the same definition of sustainable? Or do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?
I don’t know if geen tech will but I’m excited by the following.
- possiblity of using quantum computation to model geoengreening
- clean energy inculding Molten Salt Reactors
- lab grown meat
And some not so scifi stuff as well, such as building more trains, better cycling infurstucture and urban farming!
- lab grown meat
Simply eating significantly less meat is much more effective at reducing GHG emissions, while improving your health, being cheaper, and available today in many regions of the world.
Thats true, but i doubt you are going to convenice many meateaters to give up eating meat. Especially ones from traditional cultures.
do you unironically believe that our current consumption model is sustainable if we use ‘green technologies’ to fuel it?
No I don’t. A lot “green tech” is bullshit, but that doesn’t mean the system can’t change, and that there are no parts of it are more sustainable than others. As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You can consume less, buy less, more durable and reparable things, and cutting out shit you don’t need.
Rejecting any form of progress is not the way we’re going to get there.
Also blaming “the system” without offering any proven alternative doesn’t make anything better.
OK let me try to make this clear:
The system is the root cause of the climate crisis.
We are not going to solve the crisis by clinging to a system that breeds consumerism, generates shit load of waste and fantasizes infinite growth.
As I said, changing how you behave is much less important than changing the system, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it
I don’t disagree, but you’re missing the point.our behavior is less important becuause it’s tied to the behavior of the system, truly sustainable solutions doesn’t exist under the current system. it’s in the interest of the system to make everything unsustainable, we don’t have any meaningful power to make a choice in our behavior that will hurt the system.whatever illusion of choice you have is a privilege that many of us don’t have.
This video will articulate this point better than me, it’s focused on veganism but you can translate the core concepts to generally any consumer based activism.
While I agree with the sentiment of the video, it’s not like she actually presents a better system at all.
Everything she describes is present in every system in the world, except for a few pockets that live by more ancient traditions and would not scale to 7 billions. It’s just that humans are imperfect, self-centered and that any society with this many of us is going to have some ugly parts. Communist (or socialist) countries don’t actually reduce their emissions faster than some capitalists ones. They pollute less for the simple reason that they’re poorer.
I also disagree with the argument of growth. Yeah the world is finite but we are very far from actually using even a tiny fraction of all the available resources. We can have growth for a while (better knowledge, comfort, healthcare) before we actually use up the resources of the earth.
We do need to improve the system, but it’s not going to happen overnight and suddenly become some for of utopia. It’s going to be progressive and there are going to be some steps back. If you want it to happen faster, you need to show people that better options are out there. Complaining about “the system” while doing nothing doesn’t help.
You’re denying that any progress is impossible. That’s simply not true.
