Nancy Pelosi was caught on camera asking pro-Palestinian protesters to ‘go back to China’
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Nancy Pelosi was caught on camera asking Israel protesters outside her home to “Go back to China” and claiming that was where their “headquarters” were located
    • Amerikan Pharaoh
      261·
      9 months ago

      “If you don’t like it, go back to $countryTheyAssumeYouCameFrom”, yup. Just a further blurring of the lines between blue and red. By 2032, it’ll just be varying shades of purple, and most of them will be angled toward the fuchsia end.

      • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
        291·
        9 months ago

        It wasn’t a “zinger”, I was drawing an equivalence between this lady’s “go back to China” rhetoric and the language of the far right where anyone who doesn’t toe the line is accused of being a foreign agent.

        • hitmyspot@aussie.zone
          45·
          9 months ago

          Lol, I’m not American. I’m just pointing out the comment from pelosi doesn’t make sense. It adds to the reasons why it might be fake news.

          Attributing a comment like that to her works against her in 2 ways. It alienates those americans who would otherwise support Democrats as she appears to be supporting genocide and being racist, out of context.

          It also links China to the Democrats for those on the other side, who aren’t watching carefully for nuance.

          It’s not a case of countries good or bad, it’s a case of understanding their motives.

  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
    898·
    9 months ago

    So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.

    Just another data point indicating that I have never actually been American, and I should have no loyalty to it.

    • Amerikan Pharaoh
      201·
      9 months ago

      So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.

      Settlers built this country off inordinate amounts of slavery and genocide; this has always been the score. Why do you think they’re so gung-ho, brook-no-dissent about genociding Palestine? Israelis are just Junior Americans at this point.

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
        93·
        9 months ago

        That’s what I’ve been telling people who say “I won’t vote for someone who supports genocide:” This is America. All our politicians support genocide. That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.

        If you want to vote for someone who isn’t pro-genocide you’re gonna have to move, or get used to never, ever, ever getting what you want.

        Yes, it sucks. But there’s literally nothing we can do about it unless you want to get a degree in physics and build a time machine and sink Columbus’s boat before he sights land.

        • Amerikan Pharaoh
          10·
          9 months ago

          I just write-in at this point, every single time. As many members of the Wu-Tang Clan as I can remember for however many slots there are. Because I staunchly am a “no genocide” voter-- and there’s nothing that brings me more pleasure come election season anymore than cheesing in the mugs of every settler liberal, elephant-red or ass-blue, who thought they could cudgel a pencil-whip for their mass murderer of choice out of me.

          Might transition to writing in Dipset members though.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          8·
          9 months ago

          That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.

          They only agree on that in public, while in private (with a few exceptions) they are fine with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates to induce layoffs to ensure workers are too scared of losing their jobs to demand raises.

  • ralphio@lemmy.world
    787·
    9 months ago

    How convenient for dem leadership that anyone who disagrees with them is actually a foreign agent.

    • ComradeChairmanKGB
      2·
      9 months ago

      This happened more than five minutes ago so she forgot. Consequences of having an entire government filled with dementia ridden corpses. What can you do?🤷‍♀️

  • MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world
    448·
    9 months ago

    100% against the genocide in Palestine and think our representatives should be doing everything they can to stop supporting it but this video is clearly edited. Pelosi’s mouth is moving basically the whole video yet you can hear absolutely nothing from her except the very end when she gets into the suv. You can very faintly hear the “go back to China” line. However if you look at her mouth it’s not matching up with it at all. Someone clearly dubbed audio over video to make it sound like something it wasn’t.

  • SmokeInFog@midwest.socialEnglish
    263·
    9 months ago

    Is there any indication that this desperate ploy to reframe any criticism of Israel’s genocide in Gaza or recognition of innocent Palestinians’ basic humanity and rights as purely foreign propaganda is working at all? It’s absolutely craven

  • r00ty@kbin.life
    18·
    9 months ago

    I’m a bit confused by this:

    “For [the pro-Palestinian protesters] to call for a cease-fire is Mr. Putin’s message, Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake, this is directly connected to what he would like to see.

    Let’s just put aside the fact that asking for a ceasefire for most people is a humanitarian request. You don’t need to have picked a side to accept that the ordinary people need some kind of help getting to safety (or relative safety). I’m not commenting on that here though.

    It may be that I’m missing something obvious, in which case fine. But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin? I would say that any instability elsewhere in the world (Gaza, Houthi rebels, the Iran Pakistan thing the other week) work entirely in his favour. While the west (and some of the rest of the world) need to move to stabilise problems aside from the war in Ukraine, they have less time, resources to spend checking up on his activities in Ukraine. The media time is split away from what’s happening over there and of course, military budget is redirected away from arms for Ukraine, to operations in these other regions and arms for Israel.

    I must be missing something, right?

    • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
      16·
      9 months ago

      But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin?

      It doesn’t. A ceasefire in Gaza means the US wouldn’t need to send ammunitions to Israel to massacre Palestinians, freeing more supplies to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russia.

      The conflict continuing and spreading across the region and getting the US stuck in the Middle East distracting it from Ukraine though, does help Putin. So, this leaves us with a logical conclusion, Pelosi is either a Russian-asset or just relishes in genociding Palestinians.

      • shastaxc@lemm.ee
        51·
        9 months ago

        However, Israel is buying ammunition (at least with an IOU), whereas Ukraine is just receiving charity. From that perspective, it’s easy to see why politicians are more willing to support Israel than Ukraine.

    • TIN@feddit.ukEnglish
      411·
      9 months ago

      If it turns out in a few years time that Russia leant on Iran to lean on various Middle East actors to stir up trouble at that exact point to distract from Ukraine, you can colour me unsurprised.

  • Amerikan Pharaoh
    17·
    9 months ago

    I fuckin wish China was where I came from. I am literally so ashamed of, so vehemently, hatefully disgusted by the nation I was born into, a nation in which white settler ghouls have indicated they’re going to keep their foot on the entirety of my race’s collective neck (thanks Joe, will never forgive you for Cop City or for RICO charging the protestors against it), that I wish they’d deport me to China.

    It’d save me about ten, fifteen grand in travel costs, I’d probably find better work, better living conditions, and most importantly, a sense of belonging that I haven’t had since some old settler hag decided she wanted to call cops on me for going for a fuckin walk. I fuckin wish. In fact, I pray the Anglo settlers try to start a war they couldn’t possibly keep the materiel up for. I’d defect in a New York minute.

      • Amerikan Pharaoh
        18·
        9 months ago

        Ah, a kbin poster. I can safely assume hazardous, nigh-fatally toxic chauvinism and insufferable settlerism out of you, can’t I? Dollars to donuts says what you refer to as a “chinese history book” is really just what your masters tell you; and I have no interest in your skewed perspective.

        As long as I have to hear about Black folk getting slabbed out by pigs, as long as I have to hear about protestors against the regime getting locked up on federal racketeering charges (and then carcerally enslaved after the fact), as long as I have to hear about how ‘this is the best place for people like me’ when the settlers are trying to put civil rights in front of the same firing squad that erected concentration camps for migrants on the southern border while putting Roe v. Wade and affirmative action to death (and the guy we were told would stop that has thoroughly reneged on any promises he made), anywhere is better than here; especially the people you try to convince me are enemies.

        • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
          7·
          9 months ago

          Why are there so many kbin fascists anyway? There doesn’t seem to be anything overtly wrong with the instance itself. Is it a size thing?

          • Amerikan Pharaoh
            10·
            9 months ago

            Liberal moderation doesn’t purge fascists until they have a counterweight to dispense with to maintain the image of ‘even-handed, adults-in-the-room centrism’. It’s not just reddit’s playbook. Hell, it’s happened in this thread already.

            • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
              6·
              9 months ago

              Ah, it’s always liberalism isn’t it. Man I can’t wait until that shit’s in the anals of history where it fucking belongs.

          • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
            2·
            9 months ago

            The US uses slave labor, too. The prison population that they fill with an inordinate amount of minorities, but it turns into the same thing.

        • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
          18·
          9 months ago

          You know you don’t have to pledge allegiance to any country, right? That they’re all made up? You can be against the US and China. It’s not hard.

          • Amerikan Pharaoh
            12·
            9 months ago

            I don’t have a reason to be against China in the first place. If it was good enough for Bobby Seale, if it was good enough for the Panthers, it’s good enough for me. Better the devil I don’t know, than the one that I know will kill me and then tell the world I deserved it if given a half a chance.

            Besides, I’d like to see how much it’s “all made up” if I just stopped paying taxes to the government who owns the land my house is on because I dissent from all war they wage; if I just stopped obeying the entirety of white-American law because my people are neither liberated nor properly represented. I bet my left eye that’s the day I get shot up by the feds.

            I’d love to see how “made up” it is when I will be put to the gun on any landmass that I simply try to erect a home of my own on without having one of their shitty little pieces of paper that claim I ‘own’ the land. That all these apparently-made-up states ‘own’. You’re real safe saying “it’s all made up” when you never have to think about the logistics of living “it’s all made up”, swear to god.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    162·
    9 months ago

    We need to pass a constitutional amendment that sets the maximum age to hold public office (including judges) to 67 years old. You can do whatever you want past 67, but you can’t hold public office.

    Read the room, Nancy!

    • knfrmity
      8·
      9 months ago

      Copying my comment from elsewhere in this thread:

      Individual encounters may have to do with the declining mental faculties of geriatrics, but the superstructure of the capitalist class (who are the ones pushing the stories about foreign interference and terrorists and red/yellow/brown scare all that pro-empire propaganda) that must change. Voting in yet another capitalist sponsored imperialist drum beater (the only type of candidate that’s allowed to run for election) who’s a bit younger than these should-be seniors home residents won’t change anything at all. Pointing the finger at the advanced age of elected officials is a distraction, simple as that.

        • regul@lemm.ee
          4·
          9 months ago

          I’d rather have a novice who has a chance of supporting something good than an old hand using their experience to enact genocide.

        • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          9 months ago

          What’s the other option? Let them stay for life?

          The issue isn’t lack of experience, it’s that never having to worry about losing the job makes them useless. Watch how fast they get shit done that directly affects them, it was never about lack of ability, the current politicians are just intentionally useless because they all benefit from the status remaining quo.

            • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.worldEnglish
              33·
              9 months ago

              The fuck it is, if 8 years is enough for the president it’s enough for Congress, Senators, and the SC Justices.

              If we can pass down the office of president every 8 years there’s no reason we can’t do the same elsewhere, does it take a decade to learn how to vote or something? Are we lacking in judges?

              There are other levels of office, there isn’t going to be a shortage of experience just because we require term limits. Even if there was I’d prefer an inexperienced person than someone who sits on their hands all day and just votes according to their oligarchical masters whims.

        • Amerikan Pharaoh
          1·
          9 months ago

          Beats having the same imperialist ghouls for entire generations. ‘Experience’ means jack-shit when the aim of ‘career politicians’ is to stay on the gravy train by any means necessary.