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Texas secessionists have not considered the ramifications of becoming a hostile force sitting on top of oil that the US regards as its own.
If there’s two things you don’t get between, it’s a mama and her cub, and the US and oil.
There’s three things you don’t mess with.
US and oil.
US and their boats.
And the US and an excuse to pump more money into the military industrial complex that masquerades as our Economy.
You should also avoid bears in general.
You know that game 6 degrees of separation, where you find 6 people you and a stranger have in common? You can do the same thing with your job and MIC spending by the government.
my best friend works directly for a military contractor, I don’t need to play 6 degrees.
As if the US needs an excuse!
The only bear I care to be around is the Teddy variety.
Y’all qaeda about to find out
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Conceding to them about what?
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Well that sounds very bad. Giving the president emergency power to shut down the border? When does that expire? What conditions are required for it to be executed? Does it mean that Americans can’t leave or come home too? This doesn’t sound good at all to me. I really dislike that every administration rules through emergency and executive orders now, instead of legislating intelligent and long-term solutions.
Yeah, that’s not caving, that’s DARING Congress to refuse to pass the bill.
See, they were going to pass a budget bill that has some border funding in it, and Mitch McConnell was telling the Republicans to pass the darned thing – but then Trump said it might be nice to use the border mess in his campaign, and Poof! McConnell spun around so fast, his heels were smoking! (no, not literally) Here’s a link: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-thrown-wrench-mitch-mcconnell-214452142.html
The statement from Biden is a double-dog dare to not pass the bill. Every time Republicans cry, “Waaahh! Border scary! Biden’s fault!”, Biden is going to hold up that statement and point out that he was ready, but they refused to sign it.
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Many immigration and border requirements are clearly spelled out in law. Laws the administration is enforcing as written. Like many other issues, Congressional Republicans have chosen not to update these at any point over the last couple decades, while also complaining about border issues, simply so they can blame any Democrat President.
This isn’t a new issue. It’s an issue the Republicans clearly plan. As soon as a Republican is in the White House the “imminent” border issues disappear, or the President enacts some over the top fascist solution that doesn’t actually do anything for the cause. And Congress then ignores the causes again so they can complain when the Democrats inevitably regain control and are stuck spending time fixing the fuck ups instead of handling the actual causes.
The amount of Texans who support seceding are an extreme minority.
Most of us think they’re just as dumb as you do.
This would be so much fun to watch. They wouldn’t be able to take the US army with them, US army bases would be dismantled, nukes would be removed, Mexico would be like “fuck no” and have no trade with them, and the US, being their former Union, would also give them the finger. Thousands, plug not millions of people would cross borders there to either leave or join the shit hole (because fuck the liberal US government!) causing a huge outflux of knowledge and competence and a huge influx of rednecks.
Let me be clear though: this will never happen, because the politicians calling for this know damn well that they’d be fucked. They’re just riling their base with dumb but popular rhetoric.
If I was in texas, and I was forced to make the choice of whether to uproot everything and leave because of politics, or stay in a shithole…
well, damn, I’d fight back pretty hard against any government that would put me in the position where I would have to make that choice. Abbot and his ilk are going to be screwed from every direction if they keep pushing this poison.
Fun fact, there are 3 major power grids in the lower 48 united states’: the Eastern Interconnection, Western Interconnection, and Texas.
Just seeing Alberta Canadian born Ted Cruz gone from the USA is more than enough for most of us
His real name is Rafael Cruz and I think it’s time we start using it.
It’s really funny to me that he chose “Ted”. When’s the last time you met a Ted who didn’t suck?
Hey… he’s only HALF Albertan, so only half of our dumbest region. Whoever his other parent was, that person bears the rest of the responsibility for this deeply concerning narcissist.
Sure, it’s just hilarious that “Lyin’ Ted” tries to pretend he is a Texan, when he was clearly born in Canada 🇨🇦
Alberta might as well be Texas.
Albertan here, not true!
…Alberta is the horrid love child of Texas, Florida, and Alabama
How many years has the Calgary Stampede been selling Trump grifter merch now? Gotta be close to ten years.
He’s more American than Canadian. You broke it you bought it.
What if Texas just does a Texit (akin to Brexit)? Or is that not possible?
The GOP would never be able to win the electoral college without Texas. So that’s why it will never happen.
But maybe we can trick Abbot, he might be stupid enough to fall for it?
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I don’t know if it’s legally possible, but even if it was, it would never actually work. Texas is propped up with federal funding, our electric grid is slowly failing, and most people who wanted to stay a citizen of the United States would leave if they were able, which would completely fuck the job market, and leave mostly people who want to be Texans rather than Americans, and those people can’t run shit (hence the economicand infrastructure problems we already have). Or maybe I’m just talking out of my ass, idk. That’s my opinion as somebody who lives in Texas against their will.
Nope, it’s not possible. The only way it wouldn’t be treason is if all states agree, or if they start a revolution and are successful; every other attempt would simply be treason. Hence, one nation indivisible. I’m sure they know that; they just want to push as far as they can to make the political situation even more absurd in America. They want to widen the gap between the people. I don’t know who exactly profits from this situation, but it’s not the American people.
Here’s a video that explains it quite well: [Legal Egal] (https://youtu.be/1dhvry6E0jA?si=H62qIoiHzaLdJHQF)
Isn’t treason legal in the US nowadays?
Only if you pretend that you’re wealthy by committing massive fraud.
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Not sure if US law has a provision for this. Brexit was relatively orderly because the EU made sure there’s a process for it.
Absolutely positive the US does NOT have a provision for this. We fought a little war about it once.
The south tried to secede and we fought a war about it, so no, pretty sure it’s not possible.
I think the only two ways this can happen are is the federal government agrees to the succession or succession by force (aka civil war).
Please no. Some of us live here and like the US as it is. I would appreciate a change of state government, though.
There’s not an ice cube’s chance in hell that Texas successfully secedes. Do you remember what happened the last time some States tried to secede? The Union is about eleventy billion times more powerful than it was in 1865.
Believe me, I’m aware. Not gonna stop the idiots from trying.
You know all those migrants entering your state, fleeing the shit happening back home? Follow their example, pack up and move somewhere else. Texas being shit is nothing new and that won’t change.
Man, do you think I’d still be here if I had any choice? I’m broke as hell, and the situation in this state isn’t making it any better.
Those “illegal migrants” are broke as hell too. What’s stopping you that is not stopping them? You likely have an education, a profession, heck even just citizenship and US “work experience” compared to them. And the ability to take on more credit and communicate in English. Buy the cheapest bus or plane ticket out of there and don’t stop until you get north west or east.
Stop using immigrants’ suffering as an excuse to do nothing about people’s suffering in Texas. The correct response is not “just move”, it is “how can I help you organize and stand up to your government.”
I’d remind you that many of the people suffering and stuck in Texas are immigrats and their families.
The fact that I have a support system here that prevents me from dying. If I just pack up and move, I’m left with no home, no friends or family to rely on, no vehicle(which is the biggest reason I can’t move to begin with), and no idea where to even begin the process of getting my life back together.
This is a really weird point to argue about.
It’s not an argument.
It’s not an argument, it’s an example of other people that are in an even worse situation and it doesn’t stop them, it just shows that people saying “Oh shit’s so bad in Texas even for people like me who were born in the USA, I hate it :(” aren’t that uncomfortable after allz they just want to complain.
We can’t win it from the idiots if we all pack up and leave. I’m in this battleground state and I’m standing my ground. When Trump gets the nomination I’m going to do my best to remind the Republicans that I know that Trump has said he wants to become a dictator and uses the same blood purity bullshit racist rhetoric in speeches just like Hitler. I’m going to make them face the uncomfortable truth that a vote for Trump today is akin to a vote for Hitler in 1930s Germany.
I mean the parallels are uncanny at this point. The only thing missing is Trump actually getting jail time for attempting to overthrow democracy. At least Germany had the balls to put Hitler away before his rise to power.
The craziest part of the Republican party now is that they actually like Russia. What happened to them? Ruskie commies were the supposed mortal enemy of them until the fall of the USSR. now they want to help them? We gave the afghans a ridiculous amount of weapons and training to fight Russia and they used that later in terror attacks against us, but now we have the perfect opportunity to put the military industrial complex to use without putting Americans in the line of fire with a people that are highly unlikely to do the same as al queda. Oh but suddenly now its just too expensive to fund? Really this point needs to be driven home to all the military humping douches that would gladly suck the dick of anyone that has served in the military. Really what happened? We’re really living in a time where the party that supports the military industrial complex more is the Democrats?
Honestly we need a new government. We have the technology to implement direct democracy. Our constitution and government are horribly outdated and the checks in the system are being pushed to the limit in all branches of federal government. Our state is failing and if we continue the ultra rich .01% billionaire class will soon rule our nation openly with impunity. We desperately need a new progressive movement.
Ruskie commies were the supposed mortal enemy of them
As a Ruskie commie, I gotta say, the fact there exist people who praise Russia in the USA is absolutely fucking insane, you should really put them all into mental asylum because whatever is going in their head must be complete bonkers. I don’t mean that everyone should turn russophobe, of course, but modern Russia is objectively a complete shithole. It is a miracle that it’s still standing as a major global power, despite the government actions and post-soviet cultural heritage.
I don’t think most regular Republican voters praise Russia, but many Republican politicians are anti-Ukraine aid, and support policies that could help Russia. I think these politicians are somehow influenced by Russia (money? kompromat? just simply knowing Russia has effective disinformation and conspiracy theory networks?).
many Republican politicians are anti-Ukraine aid, and support policies that could help Russia
The anti-Ukraine-aid(as in, not giving Ukraine military aid) I can understand. Support policies to help Russia, not so much. But what I’m talking about is I frequently see these nutjobs on Twitter who praise Putin and Russia, while piling up on Zelensky and Ukrainian media resources. Usually those seem to be some kind of religious fundamentalists who think that Russia is some kind of bastion of christian and traditional values. There are even a few who actually moved to Russia and are now used as token “Americans who fled the evil woke culture” on the Russian TV and other media. What these guys are failing to realize, though, is that what they perceive as “christian and traditional values”, are actually remnants of criminal/jail culture of the 90s where prisoners would commit homosexual acts against each other to establish hierarchy, and, outside of it, excommunicate or even murder their friends, who came out as gay, out of irrational fear of same acts being done to them. The Russian Christianity… it’s more of a “Pacification & Penitence Inc.” rather than strict adherence to any particular set of of biblical doctrines. And for Putin… if there was a contest for “inventor of the most non-binding and legally undefined terms and half-measures” he’d definitely be the winner - ffs, he hasn’t even properly declared a war to Ukraine, what “strong leader” are they talking about.
What’s particularly cringe and really pisses me off though is when those guys try to flip Ukrainian patriotic symbolism, e.g. chanting “Slava Russia”, wearing Russian flags, or making fun of Ukrainian casualties - in Russian culture, wearing a literal flag as a cape is disrespectful, “Slava X! [to] Y slava!” originates from a nazi chant and doesn’t really make sense in Russian language, while the last one is just plain distasteful.
Hmm, I suspect the pro-Russian Christian people you’re seeing online are extremely-online people with mental issues, or are a part of Russia’s disinfo campaigns, or both. Most of my family are evangelical Christians, and are not pro-Russia (but, are pretty crazy about other things). Many of my friends and associates are either Protestant or Catholic, and are not pro-Russia. I’ve never seen what you talk about online (I don’t use Xitter, or TikTok), but have heard about some extremely far-right “Catholics” switching to “orthodox,” and still, those people are an extremely-online, extremely small group of people, AFAIK.
IDK WTF you’re talking about with the prison rape shit, but it sounds very conspiratorial and homophobic. I could be ignorant, because I’m not too familiar with Russia’s domestic history, but what you are saying sounds pretty outlandish. However, I agree that religion is often used as a tool of control by the state. I.e. “religion is the opium of the masses.”
Being against lethal aid to Ukraine could be about austerity, isolationist, or pacifist principles, but the politicians blocking the aid have no principles, and often advocate for violence elsewhere.
I’m sure there are plenty of good people in Russia. There are plenty of terrible governments around the globe with good people living under them. But the Russian state government really is terrible.
When I said that really I was mocking the Republicans. As I was growing up and even today if you even mention communism or socialism they have the same reaction. It’s why I really don’t understand them suddenly being against giving aid to Ukraine to fight Russia. We can do it in Afghanistan and it’s OK even though later al queda turn against the US, but now that we can openly fund a war against Russia where that isn’t an issue suddenly now they don’t want to? I don’t get it.
We can't win it from the idiots if we all pack up and leave.At this point I don’t believe the idiots can be convinced that their choice is bad unless it blows up in their face because everyone else left.
I don’t know if you’ve ever met a family where one kid got major drug/mental health issues that landed then in the street? After so many times trying to save them, I’ve never known a family that didn’t decide to just stop and wait on their child to be ready to save themself, otherwise it’s the rest of the family that would rip itself apart.
What I’m saying is, your State is full of people with mental health issues and it’s spreading and it might be a good idea to move out before they rip you apart. Hell, they’re already doing it to migrants, if you think they won’t come after “the commies that vote for the Democrats” at some point then you’re much more optimistic than I am.
I understand but I disagree. Martin Luther King was starting to try to turn those same idiots before he died. I believe he really could have. There are other charismatic leaders that could today.
The billionaire class knows that as soon as people stop fighting left vs right and instead unite and organize bottom vs top that they’re completely outnumbered. Yes convincing the temporarily embarrassed millionaires in the US does seem impossible. But I won’t give up hope.
The previous presidential election was closer than ever in Texas. Sure the voting districts are gerrymandered to hell. But if people would just register and vote I believe the democrats could turn this state at both federal and state level regardless of how districts are drawn. Ted Cruz is up for election and I think this time he may also really lose. But if everyone sane just packed up and left then the idiots really do win.
Please go look up independent polls of single issue opinions in Texas, then go look up what voter suppression is.
Do you realize how many people you are telling to “just leave” regardless of means or ability to do so. It is not a viable “solution”. There are activists groups all over the state that are making changes, but they need help, not derision.
“But why don’t the slaves just move?”
This is the sickest, most inhuman mindset. You don’t care about immigrants. You don’t care about the people in Texas. And you sure as hell don’t care about what is happening to immigrants in Texas.
The fuck you’re rambling about??? OP is a fucking slave now?
If I had to guess, I’d say that they were talking about how it’s barely affordable just to live in some places (wage slaves), and moving yourself and your family to an entire other state takes substantial time and money. Not to mention the emotional difficulty of leaving everyone and everything you know.
The same argument was made about recently freed slaves who had nowhere to go afterward, and how they should just move if they don’t like the continuing slavery-like treatment where they lived.
It does seem very cold and privileged from that perspective to tell someone to just up and leave, but this specific comparison seems unnecessarily impassioned
Nailed it on every front.
I thank you for taking the time to make a good faith untangling of my admittedly heated comment. I admire the patience you have to fully explain what I could not be bothered to articulate.
All good friend… it’s too easy to get caught up in the emotions of charged politics
Ok sorry if this is a stupid question, but why not let them?
It seems like the biggest concern is a humanitarian one - that sane people who remain in Texas will be worse off - but it significantly improves that same problem for everyone else in the union. And a war would possibly be even worse for sane Texans. It would be cheaper to subsidize relocation costs.
I just don’t get why we’d fight to keep them, or pretty much any state these days. They don’t have slavery, and there’s nothing huge that we were right about to change.
Because you lose some major shipping ports and oil refineries, and you’d have to share a border with a hostile neighbor.
Texas contributes more to the US economy than you’d think.
The precedent it might set.
Also they breezed over the humanitarian reason, but well over 50% of Texas would never dream of seceding and would be worse off for it, it’s not like worrying about there being a few good eggs in the bunch.
Ok sorry if this is a stupid question, but why not let them?
Because they would inevitably start a war again.
I mean, they’re already our enemies. Might as well fight 'em.
As a Native Texan leftist, please don’t devolve in to tribalism “them” includes a huge diversity of people who don’t agree with the insanity some fellow Texans spout.
This right here. Right-wing politics require oppression of an underclass or other. The first steps would be likely be to turn inward and mass murder and/or imprison/enslave dissidents and minorities. This is not sustainable, however, as there are only so many that can be oppressed in one place without hitting critical mass, and that’s not even getting into the economics or other factors.
So, like all other right-wing governments, they would be forced into expansionist/imperialist action. This would probably start with trying to annex a swath of Mexico, but could, if the politicians are the “true believer” type, rather than pragmatic sociopaths, it could well be the Midwest. In the first case, we likely end up with a new narco-state with oil fields in cartel hands, and a long, intractible insurgency. In the latter, the RoT gets curb-stomped by NATO and/or other coalition forces. Either way, lots of non-combatants suffer unnecessarily.
Maintaining the union is important. Without solidifying that every state is in it together, the federal government loses it’s power, then states start to push the limits, not paying taxes here, disobeying federal law there.
If we wanted to let states secede, we would have formed a Confederacy, or not a country at all. As it stands now, the US government will always fight for a United States, as to not do so puts everything in jeopardy. Maybe you don’t think that’s the best action overall, but until the US government is reformed under a heavily modified constitution that probably won’t happen.
Worth noting the US government needs indevidual US citize s to fight for that United States.
The % of citizens who feel the constitution is likely due for some change. While not near the 66% in 50 states needed to change it, is likely enough to seriously effect the resources forcing other to follow it.
Even congress and the senate are far from 100% in agreement. Or ever likely to be on such things. The further from the head of the snake you go. The more likely the US military is to question orders to attack domestic targets.
A d lets face it. Any attempt by the military to force orders in a situation like that, where the enemy is considered to be a part of your own team by a significant % of the people pulling tigers and dropping the actual bombs. Will harm rather then rebuild that unity.
They partner with an enemy of the US who now gets a presence in mainland North America at the US’s doorstep making infiltration to the US, etc. even easier.
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The only other good reason to fight to keep them, is to prevent their government from going fully insane and doing horrible things. But that’s the sort of thing that would need intervention if and when it happens.
It seems that you’re forgetting about Roe v. Wade.
I’m not. That’s one of the humanitarian issues the might worsen for the rest of the union if they stay.
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Let us dream, dammit!
I don’t know what his limit break is to transform into Dark Brandon and start going full Homelander, but I hope it’s close.
Texarse.
In total war Warhammer, when playing as Karl Franz, what was the phrase that the advisor said as soon as the game began, when you had to deal with the secessionists at the south? Open dissent will not be tolerated or something? I thought of that when reading this post for some reason xD lol lmao
Are there any Warhammer novels that exist and do you recommend any?
Dan Abnett’s Eisenhorn omnibus is often recommended. It’s all I’ve read thus far, good books.
Hell if I know, actually :( I just play the total war games. I think there are some books and other games from the fantasy franchise, if I recall my time taking a look at the lore using YouTube videos.
They’ve never been the brightest state. They’re just a more-westerly Florida.
Fucks sake I need to move.
The missiles at night
Are big and bright
Launched at the heart of Texas
Anyway good luck being a large economy with no trade partners and ports blockaded.
Joe Rogan packs his stuff again…
Just balkanize already
