It’ll possibly be commercialised in ~2025, but they announced this week the first model : the BV100.
It gives 3V(, only 100μW but it’s very small and can be used in series and parallel, they’re aiming for 1W as soon as next year). 1gr. can store 3.3kWh(, ten thousand times more than lithium batteries, and 100 times more than hydrocarbons) !
It doesn’t need to be charged for 50 years, which means a truly zero-cost car for instance, even more reliably than by using solar panels ; or a phone/drone/… with infinite battery.
Furthermore, it doesn’t even produce radioactive waste since the nickel-63 turns into stable copper, so it’s even more easily recyclable than current lithium&chemical batteries, as well as more stable, being able to withstand temperatures between -60°C and 120°C.
It very likely intends to be affordable if it’s intended for commercial use, but we’ll see if they will be able to.
There must be a catch somewhere though, we’ll see in the future.

to read more : https://www.laitimes.com/en/article/6d8um_6tl5g.html

just to ‘talk about’/perceive something else than wars(, waged because of our ‘hegemonic desire’/‘opposition to peace/coexistence’,) in the future.

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      You’re probably right but(, the energy density being a hundred times better than hydrocarbons, we’d roughly need the space for 6 months of fuel(, 50 years divided by 100), and) if your only argument is knowing how to get rid of the excess heat then i can hardly see that as more than a moderate security hazard towards users removing the protection(, and it could even generate money by connecting it to something while unused !)

      Furthermore if this technology encounters enough success then we’ll probably find a way to have an impact on the rapidity of the reaction chain, as we do with nuclear reactors, but on a microscopic level, perhaps with a material that can emit the equivalent of carbon atoms, i.d.k., it doesn’t seem impossible.

      But yeah, once again you’re probably right, we’ll see 🤷‍♂️

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          It’d be very interesting to think of an hybrid system in which the betavoltaic cells are coupled with lithium batteries to give them some kind of natural regeneration over time(, a phone or computer could recover go from (50, or 20, or )0 to 100% overnight/‘when it’s not used’)

          This current model only gives 8.64 joules per day, but that’s because 86400 is the number of seconds in a day, so if i divide 8.64 per 86400 i obtain 10^-4 W(, P=E/Δt), and the official/rounded number is 100μW.
          Its volume is 1125mm^3 (15*15*5mm)

          So, to drive 100km in an hour(, without the need to take into account accelerations for now), we’d need 100*200W=20kWh, or 2.10^4 Wh.
          Most electric cars would only enable 4 hours at this rate with an 80kWh battery, but since this nuclear “battery” needs to be able to deliver 24h a day, we’d need 24 * 2.10^4 = 4,8.10^5 Wh

          Hence, if we need 4,8.10^5 Wh and we have 100.10^-6 Wh for 1,125.10^3 mm^3 , a rule of three would give us 4,8.10^5 * 1,125.10^3 / 100.10^-6 mm^3 , that’s 5,4.10^12 mm^3 , which is indeed 5400m^3 and not realistic.

          Even a 200Wh computer would still need 54m^3 , and a 10Wh phone would need 2,7m^3 , the size of a car.

          If the output was mutliplied by a thousand(, 100mW instead of 100μW,) then it’d be 2,7dm^3 , the size of a bottle and still a bit too big for a phone, but a “free” energy for 50 years, and if i’m keeping the thought above of an hybridation as a self-regenerative battery it’d refill 240Wh every day(, 24*10Wh,) but that’s only if the output was multiplied by a thousand, which is unlikely.

          Thank you very much for the correction, i didn’t know that.

          I wonder if i haven’t made a mistake somewhere though, does it make sense that i’m obtaining 100μW by using seconds, and then comparing it with Wh ? If i had to multiply by 3600 before making this rule of three then that would change the conclusion.
          8,64J/day would give 0,36J/h = 0,36Wh ? And would also give 100μJ/s = 100μW ?
          I.d.k. anymore, but if i’m right this time then we’d need a 75cL bottle to refill 240Wh every day(, and for electric cars only 75L to refill 24kWh). I wouldn’t be surprised if i made mistakes elsewhere so tell me what you think.

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              with a 1W battery planned for 2025

              I don’t know if you have the answer but, if i understood correctly, such 1W “battery”/generator would produce/refill 24Wh every day ?
              If we put 10.000 BV100 in parallel(, to obtain 1W at the same 3V), that’d theoretically be 10 000 * 1125mm^3 = 1,125.10^7 mm^3 = 11L for 24Wh and 110L for 240Wh filled per day ? Ah well, w/e 🤷‍♂️. (edit : thanks for your answers though !)

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    I’m a bit confused. Where does the radiation go? They talk about a conductor absorbing heat and transferring it into energy, but radioactive heat comes directly from radiation.

    Unless this thing comes with a briefcase carry case made of lead, isn’t this a downright horrible idea? Especially for consumer products?

    Further, when a lithium battery fails, it catches fire or explodes. What happens when one of these batteries fail? It won’t be a nuclear fireball, but wouldn’t that cause very massive issues? No technology has ever had a 100% reliability rate.

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      Since it’s already in use for decades with pacemakers i don’t think that the radiation is that hard to stop, no need for inches of lead.

      And i could have said that it’s not a completely novel technology, i used “commercial” in the sense that it’s apparently destined for the general public instead of specialised fields, the wiki article says that :

      We’ll have to see the price before finding such batteries in the supermarket though.

      As for reliability, the articles say that another advantage is that it doesn’t ignite nor explode, but i suppose that something could happen if you drill through it.

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        See, pacemakers, spaceships, and research installations are fairly understandable though, no one is going to be taking out their own pace maker, and science endeavors are extremely regulated. However, you just know some idiot is going to build a dirty bomb with these if given the chance.

        Also, using the computer programming standard. Never underestimate the end user. Some idiot will try to drill through it or “stress test” a battery like this.

        Plus those batteries cost tens of thousands if not millions of dollars depending on size. We have to definitely wait to see the cost.

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          Oh yeah, i wouldn’t advise anyone to take this breakthrough as a promise for the future(, as someone who used to read futurism.com i’m well aware of that).

          But i could counter your objections if you’re interested :

          • it can already be done currently : David Hahn built a nuclear reactor with the radioactive material extracted from clock hands. The nickel-63 is already present elsewhere(, armour plating, boat propeller shafts, …), as well as many other radioactive materials ;
          • but it’s probably not feasible : A stronger argument is that the radioactive material is composed of a layer only 2µm thick, in between two layers of diamond, i don’t know enough about the subject to confirm or deny that such extraction would be too difficult/expensive ;
          • and even if it were other materials would be a better choice : Finally, at first sight and in my ignorant opinion, i don’t think it’d add much to a bomb, it seems like it’d only infect people in the vicinity, and is only described in the first scenario here(, see the article titled “Terrorism: Nuclear and Biological Terrorism”), which considers it more useful for polluting water reserves for instance, contrary to ^137 Ce, ^131 I, ^32 P, or ^67 Ga. It’d be cheaper/easier and possibly more effective to steal such materials from hospitals rather than extracting it from batteries.

          You’d probably have to drill through more than a few of them to have enough radioactivity leaking, at this point the number of people dying because of their stress testing would probably be equivalent to those dying because of chemical batteries explosion. It’d be up to the authorities to estimate the risks correctly and, as you said, we’ll see how much a battery made to last 50 years will cost.

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    Strap a couple those to a gameboy and you could finally play it the whole time on a long car trip without the batteries running out!

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      Nah, they’re real and they’re super cool. Without them, Voyager 2 would have been dead in the water decades ago. We’d never have gotten the incredible images of Jupiter and Saturn from the Voyagers nor Galileo and Cassini.

      It’ll be interesting to see terrestrial consumer applications and adoption given the general overwhelming fear response to anything nuclear.

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        Although commonly called batteries, they are technically not electrochemical and cannot be charged or recharged.