• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    This shit is really dangerous too, because the blowback weakens actual anti-Semitism accusations and strengthens actual anti-Semitic groups.

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      Come on, Israel is itself already almost anti-Semitic. They have that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation, and actual history and culture and language of really existing Jewish communities and groups they care about only when that serves that goal. If those communities and groups are underrepresented in Israel itself - may even be hostility.

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        that picture of the reborn Hebrew nation

        The what? EDIT Oh you mean like, the way they sort of imposed their own European-Hebrew onto local Semitic people.

        Also, I know Israel is certainly racist, with mostly white faces in high places. Their colorismo is basically the same as Latin America - in fact there’s a very interesting history of technological and cultural exchange between racist Latin American dictatorships and the Israeli state.

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          Well, you know, the resurrection of the Hebrew language after a couple centuries (EDIT: late to fix it, I meant millennia, but was frankly already drunk to notice) it was dead.

          There were and are neo-Aramaic (language closest to Hebrew, only it never died) speaking Jews in the world and in Israel, but making that the official language wasn’t sufficiently epic and those were, as you correctly pointed out, brown people for Zionist leaders back then.

          They love Masada story so much (its defenders spoke Aramaic), openly do that re-Judaification of Jerusalem etc.

          I mean, I don’t understand why you’re surprised.

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        They are antisemitic; the Palestinians they’re exterminating are semites. Zionism as a movement is steeped in antisemitism; a lot of literal nazis were strongly in favor of it and that’s coming from a group who genuinely wanted them all dead. That should tell you something.

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          I agree in the sense that emotionally Israelis communicate contempt, scorn, disdain for weakness and all such things.

          Which is also why talking about Yiddish culture with someone from Israel is kinda hard. Taking an interest in it means putting yourself on a different place emotionally.

          It’s understandable to not be pleased putting yourself on a place of a community which has been treated as a lower caste for centuries, spoke a jargon of the language of surrounding Christians which would treat it as such, and is associated most of all with being victimized.

          But allowing that to prevail means being really insecure as a society.

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    I am getting really tired of these right-wing dictatorships trying to play the “discrimination” card whenever their governments are criticized for their heinous actions.

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    “Calling us out on our in-progress genocide is anti-semitism sweaty” goddddddddddddd i despise settlers

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    Who cares? The very existance of Isreal is anti-semetic. The colonizers tricked way too many of the world’s Jews into making themselves targets, as if hoping to one-up the holocaust.

    I’m sure there are plenty of other words for hating on Jews outside of Israel once anti-semetism is forced to mean hating-Israel-and-not-even-individual-citizens-of-just-their-government-and-its-supporters.

    Here’s hoping the majority of Israeli’s, who DON’T support this bullshit, manage to oust Natenyahu-and-friends, and move towards un-fucking the situation while there is still something more to “the holy land” than bunkers and grave-yards.

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    Don’t put-up with Israel’s gaslighting.

    I used to support Israel.

    As an Englishman, whose identity I don’t remember pointed-out, years ago:

    IF the Jews of the region have a moral-right to their own homeland, THEN so do the Palestinians.

    EITHER BOTH OR NEITHER-DO.

    Once someone has proven they are only narcissistic-machiavellian-sociopath/psychopath, through their nihilistic obliteration of other’s lives, and much more, and throught their sadism,

    they have ZERO claim on God, on “scripture”, or on “validity” or on Truth.

    The old rabbis ( find some interviewed on youtube! ) who call-out Israel & I stand together in contempting their lies.

    KNOW gaslighters for what they are, & deal-with-them as such.

    Rabies is rabies.

    IF the patient can be got sane/healthy, then help 'em do that, but if not…

    then don’t let 'em infect you with their rabies.

    ( & that goes also for Hamas’s terror-strike, too: both sides have crossed the line into worshipping nihilism/mass-murder, while claiming God, sadly )


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    The closer term is Anti-Zionist.
    Anti-Zionism is against the formation of Israel.
    Anti-Semitism is hostile against Jews.
    Israel has been successfully equating Zionism with Semitism for so long that very few use the term anti-zionism and people can call each other racist and silence others who’s arguing about Israel.

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      They know what they’re doing. They’ve been deliberately equating the two in order to shut down any criticism of Israel.